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welcome to the paranormal podcast I am

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Jim Harold and so glad to be with you

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once again and I love traditions and I

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think we're starting a new holiday

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tradition with me are mr. Clayton Morris

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mr. Mike Hanks and mr. Ryan Sprague and

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we are doing our newly annual UFO

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roundtable as long as they all will join

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me and today as this is released at his

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Christmas so Merry Christmas gentlemen

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yeah Merry Christmas

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yeah arias Christmas guys yeah you know

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you sent out the email 24 hours after

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last year's episode wow he's really

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jumping on this once I own but this was

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actually recorded on January 2nd 2018 so

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understand there was a big UFO sighting

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understand that even NORAD got involved

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TV business we would check in with NORAD

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during the you know during the evening

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just to see where where Santa was

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tracking so they do a good job they do

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the unidentified sitting fat man but but

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in anyway Merry Christmas everybody

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thank you I know we are in honesty

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recording this a little bit before

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Christmas to be released on Christmas

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but gentlemen I know it's a very hectic

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time this time of year so thanks for

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taking some time away from your families

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and from your your holiday merriment and

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spending some time to talk UFOs with us

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tonight as pleasure yeah and if you like

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me Jim you've been snowed in in the

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the Appalachian Mountains and you have

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such bad cabin fever that you lose your

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fine folks like you gentlemen to have

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well very good let me start out with

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this what do you think is the most

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significant thing we've seen this year

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in the field of UFOs I mean there's been

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more chatter there's been more sightings

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were just at a big conference and and

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you really have your finger on the pulse

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well what do you think the big story of

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2018 has been hmm well I would say Jim

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it's actually the resurgence of an old

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story one that I'm sure everyone on this

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panel knows pretty well and that's the

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story of Bob Lazar

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this sort of mythological icon within

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ufology the man who put area51 on the

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engineering it and you know for over 30

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years the story kind of once not silent

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their own stories about what he came

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forward with so it was really refreshing

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guy and what he's all about

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hoaxes or you know these other things

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silent for so long why yeah I mean he

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threats when he first came forward and

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the film and every penny of the tickets

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whole thing I'm still very on the fence

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I can fully admit that it has not

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benefited him in the least but it sort

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about area 51 because you know what

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really he has probably suffered more as

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talked about then he has profited in any

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profited a lot less than many UFO

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things that they sell and that attend

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conferences and things regularly now

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they're sort of the default position

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the observation and I think it's a

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fairly valid one that they must presume

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all this stuff is bogus and therefore if

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anyone is claiming they've seen or been

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return that he expects from making these

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the opposite in the sense that he I mean

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science and someone who has been

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that he was in the line of work that he

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was you know involved with allegedly I

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being made right now that maybe some

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people are verifying some of his claims

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from back in the years again you know he

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same sort of criticism so again when we

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look at people and in the default

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position that these people must be

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maybe they don't always what did he

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otherwise and I think that that really

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fascinated by Bob Lazar though and

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frankly the weird kind of parallel

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know a lot about Bob Lazar he may be

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manufacturing this out of whole cloth or

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maybe a true true statement and a true

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accounting of what happened but I've got

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to say this if I recall correctly the

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story years ago decades ago was broken

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george knapp and if you're judged by the

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company you keep I mean I don't think

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George Knapp would promote something or

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consciousness that he didn't think had

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legs so anytime I've thought of Bob

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would give him a little more credence

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comes out and says that ya know that's a

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great point George Knapp you know a

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journalist Ryan I'm peers didn't and I

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don't know Myka did you guys see the

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documentary Ryan you said you were at

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the premiere of it yes did the world

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premiere in Los Angeles here Clayton and

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then right when it ended is when it

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released worldwide to the public so it

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that there was actually a Q&A after the

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film with George Knapp and asked if he

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the fence with all of it but he seems

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still promoting this story if I didn't

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believe there was something to it so I

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what he experienced what that was I

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don't know was it planted was it staged

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was he a part of that I couldn't tell

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you but at the end of the day new eyes

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ears and voices are being heard on this

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Bob Lazar story to new generations of

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people are now now hearing the story

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that may not have known it before so

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let's get those new questions going

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that's what I said well it in some ways

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and you know Mike it's your point about

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Stanton Friedman I mean the reason we

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know about the Roswell crash is because

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of Stanton right I mean in many many

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years after the fact and so Ryan to your

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point like a whole new generation

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getting to hear this story for the first

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time you know this documentary

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presumably you know out there for the

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world on Netflix and other places that

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people could you know sink their teeth

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into and

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and and start to investigate this stuff

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for the first time so I think you know

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it's kind of like everything old is new

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again this year it was a kind of a weird

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year in ufology yeah and I'll point out

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also that you know that with regard to

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Bob Lazar well one thing I should point

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out were those awesome red Chuck T's

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that he wore to the event I think Ryan

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maybe you had posted a picture online

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that I saw I thought this guy how cool

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is that you know he's going full 10th

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doctor with the red Chuck but again

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there is a ring of truth to what he says

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and like you said Clayton bringing his

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his story to a new generation is all the

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more important because I think we need

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new eyes on that aspect of the UFO

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enigma again I think all of us here have

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probably known and spoken to Stanton

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Friedman on numerous occasions and you

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know he made his assessment of Bob Lazar

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and that was what was so great about

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Stanton he didn't go all in on I believe

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everybody all the time he also was very

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skeptical and you know then again I have

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friends who would never associate

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themselves by a name with the UFO

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community but are interested in that

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subject from outside their academics

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historians people and backgrounds like

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engineering or aerospace whatever got a

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lot of people I talked to you know in

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those areas and we've been talking off

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the you know off the radar off the

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record so to speak about Bob Lazar many

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of them are like you know he's a

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conundrum but nonetheless what he says

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seems to bear a ring of truth we're

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starting to see things about that story

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that perhaps confirm old loose ends that

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you know again kind of problematic

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beforehand and furthermore he does seem

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to be a man who understands the science

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applications with regard to the work he

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claims he did so again the buzz that is

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surrounding him I agree with you Ryan

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again that's a huge development for 2018

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very close to the ongoing sensation

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surrounding the so-called Pentagon UFO

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program which I'm sure we'll talk about

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some as well but again the Lazar thing

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it leaves more questions than answers

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but it remains important I think in the

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sense that because of that ring of truth

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that so many appends to to it you know

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we're all still trying to understand

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what exactly it means and if it does

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mean anything at all it's not just a

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hoax we should be careful I get it but

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if it means anything at all it could be

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something that will further our

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knowledge about this broader phenomenon

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I was curious Ryan before it before we

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move away from this story when you were

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you know in the Q&A some stuff tends to

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bubble out there you know like at a at

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an Apple event you're sitting there and

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you do a Q&A later with Steve Jobs

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that's where some of the news is made

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did anything come out of that Q&A that

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struck you well one of the big

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contentions with this whole story is

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that for many years people said Oh Bob

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Lazar said he he saw alien bodies there

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at s4 you know the site near area 51 and

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he made it specifically clear he said I

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never saw alien bodies what I saw were

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drawings and photographs in a briefing

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document of possible non-human entities

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so again clearing up things that that

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have been out there for so long and

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finally letting him take the mic and and

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say what he wanted to say you know in

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terms of any big bombshells there are a

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few in the in the film itself Clayton

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that I won't give away here I think

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people should see it but there were a

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few things I have to admit I was like

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wow okay this this only strengthens the

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story for me the authenticity over my

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shadow of doubt so if that means

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anything and and Myka yep he did have

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the Chuck T's on that's that's his

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trademark thing with those coke bottle

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glasses he has but yeah again this story

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I think is never gonna not die and he is

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a conundrum it really is now one thing

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I'd say about your point getting back to

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his story his story the origin in the

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story straight from him it becomes like

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a game of telephone and if you don't

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hear from somebody for 20 years it

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starts to become well he said this and

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it gets changed a little bit and changed

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and all of a sudden he's seen bodies so

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I think that's that's very valuable it

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just occurred to me another person we

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probably should talk about and get kind

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of an update on and I'll rely on Mike

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and Ryan for this is so much has been

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made over the last couple of years of

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Tom's alongs involvement and you know

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I've heard people this year for example

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say well a lot of the people behind the

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scenes of the wrongs organization are

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the same old P

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with new title slapped on them and some

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more the same-old same-old

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what is in Clayton you're you're

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wondering welcome to chime in as well

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what's your assessment of the DeLong

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project date and in what we saw this

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last year if maybe I could lead off on

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this one I mean yeah and with Tom

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DeLonge I've been fascinated with Tom

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DeLonge for far longer than he has been

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involved with UFOs and that probably has

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to do with the fact that as a kid

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growing up I had to endure my younger

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brother and his band you know covering

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blink-182 songs it was so when we talk

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about Lazar being a conundrum I mean

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what was truly baffling to me was when

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you know Tom DeLonge comes out and he's

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very knowledgeable on the UFO subject he

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sat down with you know colleagues of

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ours Ryan of course Jason and Maureen

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well did an interview when they were

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still working with open minds with Tom

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DeLonge and I remember him doing that

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interview with him and thinking at that

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time this guy's obviously really

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well-read on this subject then when the

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to the stars thing comes out which

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actually it launched and it had already

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made you know a bit of a splash in

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00:16:36,350 --> 00:16:34,350
certain UFO circles Alejandro Rojas

440
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still working with open minds had

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written about this at that point you

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know Luis Elizondo who was later

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identified as the former head of the

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Pentagon's UFO program he was mentioned

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by name and his entire background with

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that program detailed there at the to

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the stars media website so it's

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important chronologically speaking to

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say that that information actually came

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out on Tando Long's website before

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Leslie Kean co-authored the article that

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appeared in The New York Times which

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detailed this so-called pentagon UFO

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program the advanced aerospace aviation

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you know again they kind of mix those

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two terms back back and forth but at the

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time that Tom's reported it it was

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aerospace so it was advanced aerospace

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threat identification program the

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Wikipedia page changed that to aviation

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seems to be interchangeable but the

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point being that again this information

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comes out in a very credible publication

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at the time everybody's looking at that

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simultaneously I'm told the Washington

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Post was working on their own article

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about it and then they subsequently

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published one by that time everybody was

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getting into it wired was talking about

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it I mean a lot of virtually every

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publication at that point had something

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to say about this and suddenly UFOs

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become a household term again but yeah

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at the crux of it all like you said Jim

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is Tom DeLonge now

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what's interesting to me is that a lot

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of people put a whole lot of importance

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behind the idea that it was the Pentagon

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studying this but again what was

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detailed in that report and what has to

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be taken into consideration is that it

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was a very small amount somewhere in the

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neighborhood like twenty-two million

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dollars that was appropriated I mean

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that ain't a whole lot in terms of

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general annual that sounds like a lot

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but it's not it's really not I mean

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really that was a very small amount

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second of all is Harry Reid and others

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have pointed out I mean a lot of that

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money was funneled right to robert

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bigelow and of course Ryan Clayton guys

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we knew that Bigelow had been involved

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with and was funding MUFON for a number

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of years I remember going to a star team

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investigator with MUFON at the time and

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also talking on the telephone with Roger

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Marsh their national communications

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director and asking them point-blank I

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said guys what is Bigelow doing where's

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that money come from what's it being

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used for I mean you might say I kind of

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sensed that there was something going on

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there I never would have guessed that it

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was coming from government funding

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because Bigelow himself of course is

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wealthy as an entrepreneur but this

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seems to be the continuation of his in

509
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his interests not only in UFOs but the

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ongoing investigations at that of course

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famous location skinwalker ranch and I

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got to give props to jeremy Korbel

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because in addition to his I'm sorry

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home Jeremy jet doesn't it correctly

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home Jeremy Bell hear me okay I thought

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I wanna make sure I get his first name

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right she may have to make an edit right

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there

519
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but Jeremy Korbel I mean with his with

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his documentary that he did on Lazar I

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mean it's like he's continuing this now

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this is kind of new tradition of quite

523
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remarkable storytelling in relation to

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this whole this broader UFO enigma that

525
00:19:28,750 --> 00:19:25,850
we see which kind of goes back to

526
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Bigelow in that documentary film that he

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made with regard to Bigelow they kind of

528
00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:32,419
lay all this out there that some of that

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funding I mean this whole program may go

530
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back to his fascination with that

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skinwalker ranch location so to me

532
00:19:40,870 --> 00:19:39,710
that's one of the most interesting

533
00:19:43,060 --> 00:19:40,880
things about this whole thing and

534
00:19:45,039 --> 00:19:43,070
alternative you guys Tom DeLonge seems

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to be a nexus but a lot of this goes

536
00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:46,580
back to Bigelow and something who may

537
00:19:50,350 --> 00:19:48,530
have been doing now for years and

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partially with government funding I

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wonder if you know to your point about

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00:19:55,210 --> 00:19:53,900
the the entertainment aspect of this I

541
00:19:56,620 --> 00:19:55,220
mean that's certainly what Tom DeLonge

542
00:19:58,930 --> 00:19:56,630
has has said he

543
00:20:00,280 --> 00:19:58,940
set it on coast to coast in multiple

544
00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:00,290
interviews that that's his plan all

545
00:20:04,210 --> 00:20:01,250
along

546
00:20:07,870 --> 00:20:04,220
is to bring you know bring the

547
00:20:11,350 --> 00:20:07,880
paranormal bring ufology bringing the

548
00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:11,360
deep state to the masses through

549
00:20:16,390 --> 00:20:13,970
entertainment and so you know over the

550
00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:16,400
past whatever it has been seven hours we

551
00:20:21,100 --> 00:20:18,770
now have this new report about Tom

552
00:20:24,670 --> 00:20:21,110
DeLonge and that new strange time show

553
00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:24,680
that he's developing at TBS so variety

554
00:20:29,860 --> 00:20:26,480
had been reporting this and I saw this

555
00:20:31,450 --> 00:20:29,870
this morning that he's now launching

556
00:20:33,220 --> 00:20:31,460
this new show based on his successful

557
00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:33,230
graphic novel which he has said all

558
00:20:39,130 --> 00:20:37,130
along in his you know his books and the

559
00:20:41,590 --> 00:20:39,140
graphic novel that this was all part of

560
00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:41,600
it sort of to normalize the discussion

561
00:20:45,550 --> 00:20:43,490
around the deep state to bring it out

562
00:20:47,470 --> 00:20:45,560
and now this show is gonna be on TBS

563
00:20:48,730 --> 00:20:47,480
it's gonna have similar to stranger

564
00:20:51,070 --> 00:20:48,740
things sort of 90s

565
00:20:53,890 --> 00:20:51,080
it's follows in 90s you know teenagers

566
00:20:55,210 --> 00:20:53,900
punk rock teenagers and he says is sort

567
00:20:58,230 --> 00:20:55,220
of a middle finger to everyone else

568
00:21:01,390 --> 00:20:58,240
that's how he describes it um and and

569
00:21:03,340 --> 00:21:01,400
Tom DeLonge huh yeah exactly and so

570
00:21:05,260 --> 00:21:03,350
it'll be a lot of punk rock music in it

571
00:21:07,120 --> 00:21:05,270
but it's gonna have a very deep

572
00:21:09,610 --> 00:21:07,130
paranormal angle to it with the deep

573
00:21:11,830 --> 00:21:09,620
state sort of chasing these teens and I

574
00:21:14,260 --> 00:21:11,840
think he said it whether it's through

575
00:21:16,660 --> 00:21:14,270
screenplays through music through comic

576
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:16,670
books his goal was to that you know what

577
00:21:21,130 --> 00:21:18,530
with to the Stars program has

578
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:21,140
entertainment company to bring this to

579
00:21:24,850 --> 00:21:22,850
the forefront and sort of normalize it

580
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:24,860
so that we're not you know we're sort of

581
00:21:31,810 --> 00:21:27,530
desensitized to it then I guess is his

582
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:31,820
goal it's very weird oh I was just gonna

583
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:35,330
add guys I mean yeah Clayton that that

584
00:21:39,220 --> 00:21:37,250
show is coming out and then we know he's

585
00:21:42,460 --> 00:21:39,230
working on at least two other shows of

586
00:21:44,650 --> 00:21:42,470
major networks a movie but they also

587
00:21:47,980 --> 00:21:44,660
have Jim we talked about this on your

588
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:47,990
show a few months past now is this atom

589
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:51,290
project yeah that long is working on the

590
00:21:56,590 --> 00:21:54,890
acquisition and data and materials now

591
00:21:58,960 --> 00:21:56,600
this is interesting to me guys I mean

592
00:22:01,930 --> 00:21:58,970
actually going out and looking at

593
00:22:04,510 --> 00:22:01,940
materials that could possibly in huge

594
00:22:06,850 --> 00:22:04,520
letters possibly be alien in origin and

595
00:22:10,060 --> 00:22:06,860
getting them tested and evaluated with

596
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:10,070
to the Stars Academy now this is really

597
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:10,610
interesting

598
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:12,290
we don't know what they're in possession

599
00:22:18,070 --> 00:22:15,650
of how those sort of results our tests

600
00:22:20,140 --> 00:22:18,080
are doing at this point it's been about

601
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:20,150
five months since they announced this so

602
00:22:23,860 --> 00:22:22,010
I'd love to know what you guys think

603
00:22:26,049 --> 00:22:23,870
about not only as to the Stars looking

604
00:22:28,450 --> 00:22:26,059
at UFO footage and whatnot but they're

605
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:28,460
going so far as to look at possible

606
00:22:33,220 --> 00:22:31,490
alien wreckage from downed UFOs I mean

607
00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:33,230
they're really going out on a limb here

608
00:22:38,650 --> 00:22:36,799
if you ask me oh I was just gonna say as

609
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:38,660
I said when we talk Ryan I'm sorry I

610
00:22:44,110 --> 00:22:42,290
interrupt you mica no it I I think it's

611
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:44,120
great another thing is is that what if

612
00:22:47,919 --> 00:22:45,890
they don't turn up anything but I I

613
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:47,929
applaud the effort if they can do that

614
00:22:53,740 --> 00:22:51,290
because that is kind of a a new facet if

615
00:22:55,210 --> 00:22:53,750
you will a new phase that we've I don't

616
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:55,220
think we've seen a lot of people really

617
00:22:59,140 --> 00:22:57,410
focus on that so uh so I applauded go it

618
00:23:01,570 --> 00:22:59,150
go ahead and Mike I'm sorry least not in

619
00:23:03,100 --> 00:23:01,580
the civilian sector and again I would

620
00:23:05,380 --> 00:23:03,110
have to see more evidence I would have

621
00:23:07,330 --> 00:23:05,390
to see more literally like physical

622
00:23:08,350 --> 00:23:07,340
evidence in terms of what they say

623
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:08,360
they're working with and there has been

624
00:23:12,250 --> 00:23:10,010
a good bit published about that in

625
00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:12,260
fairness but again when we start talking

626
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:14,000
about like crash retrievals and things

627
00:23:17,289 --> 00:23:15,770
like that I mean that's where things

628
00:23:18,549 --> 00:23:17,299
start getting a little loosey-goosey for

629
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:18,559
me actually I want to come back to

630
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:20,450
something that Clayton mentioned I think

631
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:22,010
this is really important because I

632
00:23:25,330 --> 00:23:24,290
applaud Tom DeLonge what he's doing I

633
00:23:27,130 --> 00:23:25,340
mean come on he's got Lois

634
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:27,140
Elizondo helped put off all these people

635
00:23:30,580 --> 00:23:29,450
working with his team there's definitely

636
00:23:32,799 --> 00:23:30,590
potential there I think we'd all agree

637
00:23:34,270 --> 00:23:32,809
about that but like you said Clayton the

638
00:23:36,490 --> 00:23:34,280
other issue I see though is that his

639
00:23:37,930 --> 00:23:36,500
initial endeavor which had been

640
00:23:39,340 --> 00:23:37,940
essentially this had been an

641
00:23:41,500 --> 00:23:39,350
entrepreneurial endeavor the strange

642
00:23:44,289 --> 00:23:41,510
times now that's looking like it's being

643
00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:44,299
developed as a TV show and sure there is

644
00:23:47,710 --> 00:23:45,919
the awareness that is brought to the

645
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:47,720
public in the discussion of these things

646
00:23:51,610 --> 00:23:50,240
through media like he's producing but is

647
00:23:53,169 --> 00:23:51,620
that something and I think this is a

648
00:23:55,630 --> 00:23:53,179
fair question is this something that is

649
00:23:57,970 --> 00:23:55,640
also a red flag is this more from media

650
00:23:59,289 --> 00:23:57,980
more for promotion more for generating

651
00:24:01,600 --> 00:23:59,299
revenue or is this really about

652
00:24:03,730 --> 00:24:01,610
advancing you know scientific knowledge

653
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:03,740
of the UAP phenomena what do you think

654
00:24:07,580 --> 00:24:05,520
Clayton

655
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:07,590
yeah it's hard right I mean you're

656
00:24:14,810 --> 00:24:09,450
looking at the motivations of someone to

657
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:14,820
you know to make money right so yeah you

658
00:24:18,770 --> 00:24:16,080
have all these different programs that

659
00:24:21,710 --> 00:24:18,780
he's got what the secret machines books

660
00:24:25,310 --> 00:24:21,720
he's got the the affinity with that

661
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:25,320
Peter Levin des that there that to

662
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:26,880
Ryan's boy that gets the one that bring

663
00:24:31,610 --> 00:24:30,480
into the big screen right yeah I think I

664
00:24:33,380 --> 00:24:31,620
think they're bringing now and yeah and

665
00:24:35,780 --> 00:24:33,390
so you know I kind of go back to

666
00:24:37,700 --> 00:24:35,790
something he had like tweeted about or

667
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:37,710
posted on Facebook like eight months ago

668
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:40,080
you know and he and he's you know saying

669
00:24:43,490 --> 00:24:41,760
that the you know the the to the stars

670
00:24:47,390 --> 00:24:43,500
Academy has been working behind the

671
00:24:48,860 --> 00:24:47,400
scenes for a long time you know briefing

672
00:24:52,490 --> 00:24:48,870
with high-level members of the US

673
00:24:55,250 --> 00:24:52,500
government to inform new national

674
00:24:57,799 --> 00:24:55,260
security policy so I think if that's at

675
00:24:59,240 --> 00:24:57,809
the heart of it to inform new national

676
00:25:00,410 --> 00:24:59,250
security policy I mean that's certainly

677
00:25:03,169 --> 00:25:00,420
something that Leslie Kane has been

678
00:25:06,020 --> 00:25:03,179
calling for like let's get out there

679
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:06,030
let's try to push the government we to

680
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:08,970
Leslie's point we know that alien craft

681
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:12,000
exist that were beyond that now I think

682
00:25:17,060 --> 00:25:14,880
we're beyond or beyond that point and so

683
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:17,070
now it's to get the government to come

684
00:25:21,260 --> 00:25:19,050
forward and if that is really his gold

685
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:21,270
and I applaud him and and if he's got to

686
00:25:26,510 --> 00:25:24,240
do graphic novels to get us there I just

687
00:25:29,090 --> 00:25:26,520
I kind of question that motivate and

688
00:25:30,860 --> 00:25:29,100
that but hey maybe here's on to

689
00:25:32,900 --> 00:25:30,870
something you know if if every week if

690
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:32,910
kids have access to these graphic novels

691
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:34,559
that are talking about this the deep

692
00:25:39,169 --> 00:25:37,170
state there's you know there's movies

693
00:25:41,060 --> 00:25:39,179
about it there's books about it and then

694
00:25:42,830 --> 00:25:41,070
we're all sort of yeah that's normal

695
00:25:44,030 --> 00:25:42,840
yeah we know there's a deep state and

696
00:25:46,130 --> 00:25:44,040
that becomes a normal part of the

697
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:46,140
conversation maybe that forces members

698
00:25:50,540 --> 00:25:48,570
of Congress to push for a new national

699
00:25:52,850 --> 00:25:50,550
security policy I don't know I guess we

700
00:25:54,350 --> 00:25:52,860
won't we won't know for many years to

701
00:25:56,060 --> 00:25:54,360
see if this comes to fruition or not

702
00:25:57,799 --> 00:25:56,070
well if the deep state really exists

703
00:26:05,270 --> 00:25:57,809
that would be huge

704
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:05,280
but anyway huge huge anyway but here's

705
00:26:08,570 --> 00:26:06,960
something you said that was really kind

706
00:26:11,090 --> 00:26:08,580
of piqued my interest Clayton you said

707
00:26:13,250 --> 00:26:11,100
well we know we know that alien Claire

708
00:26:16,370 --> 00:26:13,260
craft it exists well somebody didn't get

709
00:26:18,419 --> 00:26:16,380
the memo because I settled out a link to

710
00:26:19,919 --> 00:26:18,429
a story from The Guardian back and said

711
00:26:22,980 --> 00:26:19,929
tempura and they go at Great Lengths a

712
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:22,990
talking about a decrease in UFO

713
00:26:28,289 --> 00:26:26,080
sightings and really if you read this

714
00:26:30,659 --> 00:26:28,299
story it's almost like they're living in

715
00:26:32,279 --> 00:26:30,669
an alternate universe because there's no

716
00:26:35,519 --> 00:26:32,289
acknowledgment of the DeLonge efforts

717
00:26:37,619 --> 00:26:35,529
there's no real acknowledgement of those

718
00:26:40,259 --> 00:26:37,629
articles by people like Leslie Kean

719
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:40,269
there's no a real acknowledgement fair

720
00:26:44,129 --> 00:26:41,919
acknowledgement about that gun camera

721
00:26:46,799 --> 00:26:44,139
footage and so forth it would almost

722
00:26:51,239 --> 00:26:46,809
like if you read this article know that

723
00:26:53,310 --> 00:26:51,249
stuff happened and it's you know it's

724
00:26:58,649 --> 00:26:53,320
still while there's no real proof and

725
00:27:00,210 --> 00:26:58,659
it's anecdotal and in fact it said I'll

726
00:27:01,919 --> 00:27:00,220
quote from The Guardian furthermore

727
00:27:03,950 --> 00:27:01,929
government disclosure of its own video

728
00:27:07,049 --> 00:27:03,960
footage isn't helping to maintain belief

729
00:27:09,299 --> 00:27:07,059
Joseph Baker's sociology professor at

730
00:27:11,070 --> 00:27:09,309
Tennessee State University great spin

731
00:27:13,799 --> 00:27:11,080
Meister here it's actually better for

732
00:27:15,239 --> 00:27:13,809
UFOs when you have follow just ufologist

733
00:27:16,499 --> 00:27:15,249
can claim that the powers that be know

734
00:27:17,850 --> 00:27:16,509
everything and are hiding it for us

735
00:27:20,190 --> 00:27:17,860
rather than seeing the government

736
00:27:22,999 --> 00:27:20,200
appears to have basically the same info

737
00:27:27,180 --> 00:27:23,009
about UFOs as the public namely grainy

738
00:27:29,549 --> 00:27:27,190
inconclusive visual evidence I you have

739
00:27:31,980 --> 00:27:29,559
gun camera footage and there

740
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:31,990
pooh-poohing that so and you have the

741
00:27:36,269 --> 00:27:33,490
pilots that come forward in that

742
00:27:38,609 --> 00:27:36,279
interviews closely haste to confirm what

743
00:27:41,700 --> 00:27:38,619
they see a new interview Obama's one

744
00:27:44,129 --> 00:27:41,710
time pilot didn't ya he have Air Force

745
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:44,139
one pilot I mean yeah you know these

746
00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:46,450
people they've not given up the skeptics

747
00:27:51,180 --> 00:27:49,360
aren't giving up no it's there you can

748
00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:51,190
see you can see it visually and then you

749
00:27:58,109 --> 00:27:53,289
have pilots who are not are not

750
00:27:59,609 --> 00:27:58,119
flustered by much right and who you know

751
00:28:02,759 --> 00:27:59,619
speaking to those who have gone through

752
00:28:05,700 --> 00:28:02,769
the like the Top Gun program and said to

753
00:28:08,190 --> 00:28:05,710
me you you don't have that reaction when

754
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:08,200
you're so used to seeing something when

755
00:28:15,180 --> 00:28:12,159
something defies your defies your depth

756
00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:15,190
of knowledge from flight it would zips

757
00:28:18,450 --> 00:28:17,200
off at an incredible rate of speed

758
00:28:20,460 --> 00:28:18,460
unlike anything you've ever seen before

759
00:28:22,019 --> 00:28:20,470
that's when you yell that's where we get

760
00:28:23,580 --> 00:28:22,029
these pilots yelling on this gun camera

761
00:28:24,810 --> 00:28:23,590
footage because that's not something

762
00:28:26,580 --> 00:28:24,820
they would normally do they're calm cool

763
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:26,590
collected and then they come on and do

764
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:28,090
television interviews to talk about

765
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:30,730
their experience watching this unfolding

766
00:28:33,730 --> 00:28:31,520
I mean

767
00:28:36,010 --> 00:28:33,740
to just say that it's just some you know

768
00:28:38,410 --> 00:28:36,020
just some grainy footage this this

769
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:38,420
author of this piece I don't know what

770
00:28:43,450 --> 00:28:41,450
his agenda was yeah if I could add guys

771
00:28:45,220 --> 00:28:43,460
to Mike you and I this is a little

772
00:28:47,140 --> 00:28:45,230
shameless plug here gentlemen so I

773
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:47,150
apologize we were part of it

774
00:28:51,730 --> 00:28:49,760
okay we were part of a book called UFOs

775
00:28:53,919 --> 00:28:51,740
reframing the debate we each wrote a

776
00:28:54,970 --> 00:28:53,929
chapter in this Rob egoism right ology

777
00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:54,980
yes correct

778
00:29:02,110 --> 00:28:59,120
and Mike mind specifically was bringing

779
00:29:03,610 --> 00:29:02,120
into question is ufology dead and you

780
00:29:05,950 --> 00:29:03,620
know you look at the last sort of

781
00:29:08,530 --> 00:29:05,960
paragraph of this this article Jim by

782
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:08,540
Sharon Hill paranormal and pseudoscience

783
00:29:13,180 --> 00:29:11,210
researcher and she says I don't you know

784
00:29:14,860 --> 00:29:13,190
I don't think it's dead it's just

785
00:29:17,980 --> 00:29:14,870
children and that was kind of the whole

786
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:17,990
point of my my chapter in this book is

787
00:29:23,140 --> 00:29:20,450
we're asking new questions we're not

788
00:29:25,299 --> 00:29:23,150
looking at grainy photos anymore we're

789
00:29:27,820 --> 00:29:25,309
not you know taking into account CGI

790
00:29:31,090 --> 00:29:27,830
these days and these you know hoaxes

791
00:29:33,610 --> 00:29:31,100
filled YouTube channels of UFOs that you

792
00:29:36,250 --> 00:29:33,620
smart clicks in that revenue we're

793
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:36,260
looking at this entire phenomenon with

794
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:38,450
new eyes a fresh perspective and the one

795
00:29:43,419 --> 00:29:40,250
thing I always like that Michael brings

796
00:29:45,970 --> 00:29:43,429
up is philosophy is not dead it is ever

797
00:29:48,669 --> 00:29:45,980
evolving science itself is ever-changing

798
00:29:49,150 --> 00:29:48,679
so I think it's important to keep in

799
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:49,160
mind

800
00:29:53,860 --> 00:29:51,770
well maybe UFO sightings may be

801
00:29:57,130 --> 00:29:53,870
decreasing it doesn't mean that the

802
00:29:58,840 --> 00:29:57,140
phenomenon isn't out there or that we're

803
00:30:01,090 --> 00:29:58,850
giving up we just we have too much in

804
00:30:02,740 --> 00:30:01,100
this world to to set our sights and

805
00:30:03,970 --> 00:30:02,750
focus on right now that not a lot of

806
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:03,980
people are looking up in the sky

807
00:30:08,500 --> 00:30:05,890
Seki i can be honest when i say that

808
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:08,510
yeah i don't know that i could say that

809
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:10,610
UFO sightings are really decreasing I

810
00:30:14,350 --> 00:30:11,570
mean that's a highly subjective

811
00:30:15,940 --> 00:30:14,360
statement first and foremost but you see

812
00:30:17,860 --> 00:30:15,950
those kinds of articles all the time

813
00:30:20,410 --> 00:30:17,870
people love to try and say things like

814
00:30:22,419 --> 00:30:20,420
oh is ufology ditto why are you a faux

815
00:30:24,190 --> 00:30:22,429
sightings decreasing I mean what you

816
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:24,200
might be able to say I think a better

817
00:30:29,620 --> 00:30:26,240
way to say that maybe would be that

818
00:30:32,250 --> 00:30:29,630
there is some statistical data which

819
00:30:34,690 --> 00:30:32,260
suggests that as we see more and more

820
00:30:35,950 --> 00:30:34,700
proliferation of smartphone technologies

821
00:30:38,380 --> 00:30:35,960
you know in cameras in everybody's

822
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:38,390
pocket that we're seeing fewer quality

823
00:30:43,330 --> 00:30:41,690
UFO sightings as a result now to me

824
00:30:44,650 --> 00:30:43,340
there are real good reasons why that

825
00:30:45,470 --> 00:30:44,660
would be the case because you know back

826
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:45,480
in the old

827
00:30:50,509 --> 00:30:48,570
not only were people not equipped with

828
00:30:52,129 --> 00:30:50,519
cameras you know on little device that

829
00:30:53,509 --> 00:30:52,139
everyone carried in their pocket and I'm

830
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:53,519
talking about the glory days a UFO

831
00:30:59,330 --> 00:30:57,090
sightings 1960s 70s 80s 90s not only was

832
00:31:00,919 --> 00:30:59,340
there that but of course what else do

833
00:31:03,529 --> 00:31:00,929
you get on the smartphone you have

834
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:03,539
access to information you've got apps

835
00:31:06,379 --> 00:31:05,130
that can tell you which satellites

836
00:31:07,759 --> 00:31:06,389
you're going to be where in the sky

837
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:07,769
where you can see the International

838
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:09,360
Space Station on any given night you

839
00:31:13,100 --> 00:31:11,490
know you can you can use a stargazing

840
00:31:15,139 --> 00:31:13,110
app to find out whether or not indeed

841
00:31:17,620 --> 00:31:15,149
that is Venus you're looking at or

842
00:31:20,029 --> 00:31:17,630
something else I mean there are a lot of

843
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:20,039
technologies afforded us these days

844
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:22,080
which we didn't have back in the old

845
00:31:25,460 --> 00:31:23,850
days and so I think as technology is

846
00:31:28,100 --> 00:31:25,470
changing the way we interpret our

847
00:31:30,740 --> 00:31:28,110
environment is changing to where we get

848
00:31:31,940 --> 00:31:30,750
our media has changed and whether you

849
00:31:33,649 --> 00:31:31,950
know again rather than seeing something

850
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:33,659
on the nightly news or reading in a UFO

851
00:31:37,009 --> 00:31:35,850
magazine like people that decades ago we

852
00:31:38,810 --> 00:31:37,019
can get this stuff and we can set up

853
00:31:40,970 --> 00:31:38,820
alerts on our smartphones and we're kept

854
00:31:42,139 --> 00:31:40,980
in the loop so to speak about these

855
00:31:43,850 --> 00:31:42,149
kinds of things and I think that

856
00:31:46,639 --> 00:31:43,860
generally people are more informed and

857
00:31:48,500 --> 00:31:46,649
those reports which were truly more

858
00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:48,510
likely to be miss identification of

859
00:31:52,399 --> 00:31:50,880
prosaic phenomena have decreased as

860
00:31:54,980 --> 00:31:52,409
people are more informed than they have

861
00:31:57,139 --> 00:31:54,990
greater access to information so our UFO

862
00:31:58,970 --> 00:31:57,149
sightings really decreasing or is the

863
00:32:01,399 --> 00:31:58,980
way that we're gathering information in

864
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:01,409
total and mass changing I think it's the

865
00:32:07,100 --> 00:32:04,080
latter and I think also to your point

866
00:32:08,779 --> 00:32:07,110
that people don't necessarily assume

867
00:32:11,149 --> 00:32:08,789
it's little green men when they see

868
00:32:13,610 --> 00:32:11,159
something in the sky now they think well

869
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:13,620
it could be a drone it could be a people

870
00:32:18,830 --> 00:32:16,080
not only is a technology helped I think

871
00:32:21,379 --> 00:32:18,840
in general people have become a little

872
00:32:23,299 --> 00:32:21,389
more educated so maybe they don't say oh

873
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:23,309
I you know I saw something that was

874
00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:26,490
obviously like a meteorite or something

875
00:32:29,180 --> 00:32:28,289
I don't call in and say oh you know

876
00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:29,190
we're being invaded

877
00:32:35,090 --> 00:32:32,399
but maybe the quality maybe is going up

878
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:35,100
the quantity might be going down we are

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00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:38,010
on the annual UFO roundtable our guests

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are Ryan Sprague Clayton Morris and the

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fantastic Micah Hanks and we'll be back

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923
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question is is there a connection

924
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between dolphins and aliens Pete

925
00:34:23,570 --> 00:34:21,360
Peterson explains that we can form

926
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telepathic connections with dolphins and

927
00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:27,060
some et species he says are doing just

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here Micah Hanks Clayton Morris and Ryan

983
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Sprague talking UFOs as we've done the

984
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last couple of years and I hope it's a

985
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tradition that lasts for many years to

986
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come now Clayton I know you had

987
00:36:47,530 --> 00:36:43,910
something you wanted to mention before

988
00:36:49,630 --> 00:36:47,540
the break yeah you know we had we had

989
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:49,640
some pretty big stories this year that I

990
00:36:53,410 --> 00:36:50,930
don't think got the coverage they

991
00:36:54,670 --> 00:36:53,420
deserved you know you look at stuff you

992
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:54,680
know you talk about like Anthony

993
00:36:59,800 --> 00:36:57,890
Weiner's laptop right I mean there you

994
00:37:01,720 --> 00:36:59,810
know the hidden file right the hidden

995
00:37:04,750 --> 00:37:01,730
file called life insurance that was on

996
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:04,760
his laptop which you know a lot of

997
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:06,880
insider saying that that you know an

998
00:37:11,170 --> 00:37:09,290
incredible amount of information that

999
00:37:13,570 --> 00:37:11,180
would just shatter our belief system

1000
00:37:15,850 --> 00:37:13,580
about the deep state and and you know

1001
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:15,860
this is life insurance policy like hey

1002
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:17,690
if this ever gets out unprotected

1003
00:37:21,820 --> 00:37:19,280
because I have this information on this

1004
00:37:23,110 --> 00:37:21,830
laptop but you look at like the 30,000

1005
00:37:24,070 --> 00:37:23,120
sealed indictments that have been out

1006
00:37:25,570 --> 00:37:24,080
there and only three

1007
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:25,580
of them have been unsealed one of which

1008
00:37:30,730 --> 00:37:28,880
was one of which was this this laptop

1009
00:37:33,100 --> 00:37:30,740
story in other words was it that um

1010
00:37:36,460 --> 00:37:33,110
what's-her-name Mac what's-her-name from

1011
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:36,470
a small dill Mac oh yeah oh yeah he

1012
00:37:40,750 --> 00:37:39,410
talked about another crazy story I mean

1013
00:37:42,340 --> 00:37:40,760
you know that was one of the other

1014
00:37:44,140 --> 00:37:42,350
sealed indictments that was opened this

1015
00:37:46,180 --> 00:37:44,150
year but there was a lot of the sort of

1016
00:37:48,130 --> 00:37:46,190
mysterious deep state stuff that started

1017
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:48,140
to bubble to the surface this year and I

1018
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:50,090
think it's disingenuous to say that you

1019
00:37:54,340 --> 00:37:52,010
know that there's there's maybe less

1020
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:54,350
interest less awareness about it and all

1021
00:37:58,450 --> 00:37:56,210
you need to do - I think mica to your

1022
00:38:01,630 --> 00:37:58,460
point you go to YouTube now and because

1023
00:38:03,070 --> 00:38:01,640
of google's AI and their algorithm that

1024
00:38:05,110 --> 00:38:03,080
they're bubbling to the surface things

1025
00:38:07,060 --> 00:38:05,120
that you never knew existed before I

1026
00:38:09,070 --> 00:38:07,070
think we now have more access on a

1027
00:38:12,460 --> 00:38:09,080
personalized level - you know you just

1028
00:38:13,990 --> 00:38:12,470
do a little search for you know UFO

1029
00:38:16,030 --> 00:38:14,000
footage or something guess what you're

1030
00:38:18,820 --> 00:38:16,040
gonna start to see a lot more videos

1031
00:38:20,770 --> 00:38:18,830
about deep state interviews with people

1032
00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:20,780
like Bob Lazar and others that are gonna

1033
00:38:24,700 --> 00:38:22,880
start to show up in your news feed in

1034
00:38:26,350 --> 00:38:24,710
YouTube in a way that you know we

1035
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:26,360
wouldn't have had access to years ago

1036
00:38:29,710 --> 00:38:28,160
how difficult would it have been to try

1037
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:29,720
to dig through and find these

1038
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:32,570
documentaries and stories and video

1039
00:38:37,780 --> 00:38:35,450
interviews with with insiders who are on

1040
00:38:39,130 --> 00:38:37,790
their deathbed now it all just bubbles

1041
00:38:41,980 --> 00:38:39,140
to the surface right in your newsfeed

1042
00:38:43,630 --> 00:38:41,990
very very interesting indeed I was gonna

1043
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:43,640
say something something to boot a bubble

1044
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:46,970
to my newsfeed last week and immediately

1045
00:38:53,590 --> 00:38:49,610
it caught my attention a NASA scientist

1046
00:38:56,410 --> 00:38:53,600
in a major research paper said that tiny

1047
00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:56,420
aliens may have visited us and we just

1048
00:39:02,680 --> 00:38:58,370
didn't know it and I love the way that

1049
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:02,690
this scientist Silvana P Callum bono of

1050
00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:05,210
NASA's intelligent systems division put

1051
00:39:11,740 --> 00:39:07,910
this he talked about the idea that that

1052
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:11,750
we may be looking for a and basically

1053
00:39:16,780 --> 00:39:14,450
paraffin he didn't say this but I'm in

1054
00:39:20,050 --> 00:39:16,790
so many words but the truth may actually

1055
00:39:21,550 --> 00:39:20,060
be Z and another thing that wasn't

1056
00:39:24,070 --> 00:39:21,560
actually in this article I sent along

1057
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:24,080
from the New York Post he also said this

1058
00:39:27,970 --> 00:39:26,000
whole thing about well they're too far

1059
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:27,980
away well that's ridiculous because

1060
00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:31,810
that's with our view Arwen's our

1061
00:39:37,630 --> 00:39:34,160
understanding of technology and

1062
00:39:42,009 --> 00:39:37,640
propulsion and all of those things but

1063
00:39:43,509 --> 00:39:42,019
obviously if there are beings visiting

1064
00:39:45,970 --> 00:39:43,519
us they're way more advanced than we are

1065
00:39:49,329 --> 00:39:45,980
we can't imagine what kind of distances

1066
00:39:51,460 --> 00:39:49,339
they can easily traverse so I love this

1067
00:39:53,589 --> 00:39:51,470
idea of these tiny super intelligent

1068
00:39:55,569 --> 00:39:53,599
aliens that may have already been here

1069
00:39:58,150 --> 00:39:55,579
they may be here we just don't

1070
00:39:59,920 --> 00:39:58,160
understand it yeah that's an interesting

1071
00:40:02,140 --> 00:39:59,930
perspective although something that

1072
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:02,150
needs to be said really quickly as we

1073
00:40:06,489 --> 00:40:03,920
proceed through this conversation I

1074
00:40:09,789 --> 00:40:06,499
think we should be careful in truth

1075
00:40:12,700 --> 00:40:09,799
before we make that that Association

1076
00:40:16,839 --> 00:40:12,710
unequivocally that extraterrestrial and

1077
00:40:18,339 --> 00:40:16,849
UFO are one in the same they may not

1078
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:18,349
necessarily be there because again you

1079
00:40:22,359 --> 00:40:19,970
know for instance like we've kind of

1080
00:40:23,710 --> 00:40:22,369
been talking about you know with regard

1081
00:40:25,299 --> 00:40:23,720
to the Pentagon program and things like

1082
00:40:27,579 --> 00:40:25,309
this well I mean yeah we we all seem to

1083
00:40:29,049 --> 00:40:27,589
agree that alien ships are out there you

1084
00:40:30,849 --> 00:40:29,059
know maybe that's not necessarily the

1085
00:40:32,499 --> 00:40:30,859
case I went back and did something funny

1086
00:40:34,450 --> 00:40:32,509
the other night guys I went back and I

1087
00:40:36,190 --> 00:40:34,460
read that article and I'm not surprised

1088
00:40:39,309 --> 00:40:36,200
by what I found in the lease but I did a

1089
00:40:41,170 --> 00:40:39,319
search with my Mac and just went down

1090
00:40:43,930 --> 00:40:41,180
and looked you know to see if indeed

1091
00:40:47,170 --> 00:40:43,940
that that article ever mentioned the

1092
00:40:49,029 --> 00:40:47,180
word et Extra Terrestrial etc it wasn't

1093
00:40:50,859 --> 00:40:49,039
mentioned one time in that article part

1094
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:50,869
of the reason being of course and Leslie

1095
00:40:54,670 --> 00:40:53,119
puts this forth in her book back in 2010

1096
00:40:56,249 --> 00:40:54,680
UFOs generals pilots and government

1097
00:40:58,359 --> 00:40:56,259
officials go on the record for a bug me

1098
00:40:59,979 --> 00:40:58,369
it is great-looking I mean from a

1099
00:41:01,539 --> 00:40:59,989
journalistic standpoint and you know

1100
00:41:03,249 --> 00:41:01,549
Clayton I know you probably appreciate

1101
00:41:04,180 --> 00:41:03,259
this probably as much or more than the

1102
00:41:05,769 --> 00:41:04,190
rest of us you know coming from

1103
00:41:08,739 --> 00:41:05,779
background in news media yourself I mean

1104
00:41:10,690 --> 00:41:08,749
you she is trying not only to present

1105
00:41:12,940 --> 00:41:10,700
the subject credibly but also she's

1106
00:41:15,130 --> 00:41:12,950
trying to I think in a way and it's fair

1107
00:41:18,099 --> 00:41:15,140
to say this to sanitize that subject and

1108
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:18,109
by not using extraterrestrial or alien

1109
00:41:23,470 --> 00:41:21,650
you know always exclusively in relation

1110
00:41:25,660 --> 00:41:23,480
to the subject you know the discussion

1111
00:41:27,549 --> 00:41:25,670
of UFOs I think she's kind of leaving it

1112
00:41:29,229 --> 00:41:27,559
open to say look whether it's from a

1113
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:29,239
national defense standpoint you know

1114
00:41:32,859 --> 00:41:30,890
national security whether it's from an

1115
00:41:34,690 --> 00:41:32,869
aerospace standpoint I mean what we're

1116
00:41:36,460 --> 00:41:34,700
dealing with is an unknown that's as

1117
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:36,470
much as we can say about it so you know

1118
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:37,970
as we're proceeding with that discussion

1119
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:39,410
I know from my own part I like to say

1120
00:41:44,529 --> 00:41:42,170
maybe we can actually separate alien and

1121
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:44,539
extraterrestrial from UFOs I get it a

1122
00:41:48,370 --> 00:41:46,400
lot of people look at these things and

1123
00:41:50,499 --> 00:41:48,380
the more bizarre reports it's like well

1124
00:41:50,860 --> 00:41:50,509
how else are you supposed to interpret

1125
00:41:56,350 --> 00:41:50,870
that

1126
00:41:57,850 --> 00:41:56,360
raised questions about time travel

1127
00:41:59,560 --> 00:41:57,860
people have raised questions about black

1128
00:42:01,330 --> 00:41:59,570
budget projects and things like this

1129
00:42:03,220 --> 00:42:01,340
look it could be any of or all of the

1130
00:42:05,650 --> 00:42:03,230
above but it's like it's like that Star

1131
00:42:07,810 --> 00:42:05,660
Trek episode wink of an eye that's what

1132
00:42:09,730 --> 00:42:07,820
the third season you know when they go

1133
00:42:13,810 --> 00:42:09,740
down to that planet I don't know it was

1134
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:13,820
like thus Colossians or whatever in the

1135
00:42:17,710 --> 00:42:16,010
there's like this intermittent buzzing -

1136
00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:17,720
so did Jim you know to your point about

1137
00:42:21,100 --> 00:42:19,520
they were looking for a but we might be

1138
00:42:22,690 --> 00:42:21,110
or the you know be looking for a all

1139
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:22,700
along but might actually need to be

1140
00:42:27,340 --> 00:42:24,290
looking for B it's something that

1141
00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:27,350
physicist Tom Campbell talks about in

1142
00:42:33,730 --> 00:42:31,250
his big toe series and oh yeah you know

1143
00:42:35,230 --> 00:42:33,740
about consciousness and and the idea

1144
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:35,240
that maybe but we're looking for the

1145
00:42:39,030 --> 00:42:36,410
wrong thing and it's like sort of

1146
00:42:44,050 --> 00:42:39,040
intermittent buzzing it turns out to be

1147
00:42:46,180 --> 00:42:44,060
these the the hyper acceleration of

1148
00:42:48,580 --> 00:42:46,190
these these other beings right that

1149
00:42:51,010 --> 00:42:48,590
they're like sort of living here but not

1150
00:42:52,930 --> 00:42:51,020
here you know in this sort of parallel

1151
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:52,940
universe but it's only accelerated a

1152
00:42:55,870 --> 00:42:54,410
little bit I love that idea

1153
00:42:57,310 --> 00:42:55,880
it's like they're literally right there

1154
00:42:59,740 --> 00:42:57,320
in your presence and you they're

1155
00:43:01,780 --> 00:42:59,750
indiscernible to your senses and so but

1156
00:43:04,420 --> 00:43:01,790
again the UFO phenomena may represent

1157
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:04,430
something in some ways that is in part

1158
00:43:08,980 --> 00:43:06,530
like that it may be something that we

1159
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:08,990
see the elbow or the tip of the pinky

1160
00:43:12,370 --> 00:43:10,970
finger of that there's a much larger

1161
00:43:15,310 --> 00:43:12,380
phenomena behind the things that we

1162
00:43:17,050 --> 00:43:15,320
aren't even able to discern yeah and I

1163
00:43:18,850 --> 00:43:17,060
mean guys I'd be remiss if I didn't

1164
00:43:20,740 --> 00:43:18,860
bring up this other big thing just sort

1165
00:43:22,990 --> 00:43:20,750
of piggyback off of this Jim

1166
00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:23,000
this whole omou a mullah thing that

1167
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:25,730
happened this past year yeah yes this

1168
00:43:33,550 --> 00:43:29,450
crazy you know long narrow object that

1169
00:43:36,610 --> 00:43:33,560
came into our so yes you know I came in

1170
00:43:39,340 --> 00:43:36,620
sort of hung out for a little bit and

1171
00:43:41,050 --> 00:43:39,350
then took back off I mean my god when

1172
00:43:43,060 --> 00:43:41,060
you have Harvard scientists yeah think

1173
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:43,070
it's possible that this could have been

1174
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:46,010
artificially may best lieu my mind I

1175
00:43:50,290 --> 00:43:48,050
don't know why this wasn't on this list

1176
00:43:51,970 --> 00:43:50,300
but yeah but how to your point about

1177
00:43:53,860 --> 00:43:51,980
maneuvering in that way that's the most

1178
00:43:55,930 --> 00:43:53,870
amazing thing like you know just it just

1179
00:43:57,700 --> 00:43:55,940
doesn't accelerate there there was no it

1180
00:44:00,250 --> 00:43:57,710
wasn't around a celestial body at the

1181
00:44:02,420 --> 00:44:00,260
time when it just took off I mean if

1182
00:44:04,519 --> 00:44:02,430
you've been a course change wasn't there

1183
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:04,529
yes there was but the big thing with

1184
00:44:08,900 --> 00:44:06,240
this one two guys is yeah the the

1185
00:44:10,819 --> 00:44:08,910
Harvard scientists they they were quoted

1186
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:10,829
as saying you know I'm just paraphrasing

1187
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:12,089
but like this could have been

1188
00:44:16,430 --> 00:44:13,770
artificially made it doesn't look

1189
00:44:18,349 --> 00:44:16,440
natural and then every article that came

1190
00:44:20,450 --> 00:44:18,359
out after this said Harvard scientists

1191
00:44:22,549 --> 00:44:20,460
say oh me oh Moo it could be alien probe

1192
00:44:24,559 --> 00:44:22,559
or spaceship now this is a problem like

1193
00:44:26,450 --> 00:44:24,569
that you bring up is you know you have

1194
00:44:28,970 --> 00:44:26,460
the scientists who are being very

1195
00:44:31,220 --> 00:44:28,980
careful with their wording and then it

1196
00:44:34,460 --> 00:44:31,230
immediately plays that telephone game

1197
00:44:36,529 --> 00:44:34,470
and gets changed and distorted every

1198
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:36,539
which way so yeah we do have to be very

1199
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:39,930
careful of disking of disconnecting UFO

1200
00:44:45,170 --> 00:44:42,240
from alien and even when we have these

1201
00:44:48,650 --> 00:44:45,180
very unnatural objects doing these weird

1202
00:44:50,930 --> 00:44:48,660
things to just come out and flatly say

1203
00:44:52,099 --> 00:44:50,940
it's an alien probe monitoring us it's

1204
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:52,109
gonna come back you know

1205
00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:55,200
there's a big gap in between but don't

1206
00:45:00,170 --> 00:44:57,119
you feel there's been a change because

1207
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:00,180
you know I don't know Clayton how long

1208
00:45:03,799 --> 00:45:02,010
ago we started the paranormal report

1209
00:45:05,450 --> 00:45:03,809
when we were doing it maybe almost 10

1210
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:05,460
years ago or feels like 10 years ago

1211
00:45:10,670 --> 00:45:08,730
quite a few years ago even then I don't

1212
00:45:12,260 --> 00:45:10,680
think that Harvard scientist would have

1213
00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:12,270
come out and said anything of the like

1214
00:45:16,910 --> 00:45:14,730
they would have said hey you know this

1215
00:45:19,069 --> 00:45:16,920
might be a extraterrestrial but let's

1216
00:45:21,019 --> 00:45:19,079
let's not mention that in the paper and

1217
00:45:23,269 --> 00:45:21,029
now you see these things coming out I

1218
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:23,279
mean yeah the skeptics and the Sentinel

1219
00:45:27,529 --> 00:45:25,200
skeptics are okay but cynics the cynics

1220
00:45:29,390 --> 00:45:27,539
are still there but don't you guys don't

1221
00:45:31,730 --> 00:45:29,400
you sense a little bit of the worm

1222
00:45:34,010 --> 00:45:31,740
turning in that we're getting more of

1223
00:45:36,349 --> 00:45:34,020
these stories from more official or more

1224
00:45:38,839 --> 00:45:36,359
what are considerably credible channels

1225
00:45:40,250 --> 00:45:38,849
that something's happening it's funny

1226
00:45:42,819 --> 00:45:40,260
you say that just cuz the other day I

1227
00:45:45,170 --> 00:45:42,829
was thinking about that with NASA that

1228
00:45:46,609 --> 00:45:45,180
they're very cautious you know they're

1229
00:45:49,460 --> 00:45:46,619
very cautious in their wording but

1230
00:45:51,650 --> 00:45:49,470
you're starting to see I think more

1231
00:45:53,870 --> 00:45:51,660
openness about this discussion coming

1232
00:45:54,799 --> 00:45:53,880
from official places like NASA but

1233
00:45:56,809 --> 00:45:54,809
you're right about the Harvard

1234
00:45:58,339 --> 00:45:56,819
researchers to be able to say that you

1235
00:46:00,890 --> 00:45:58,349
know this thing accelerated this thing

1236
00:46:02,839 --> 00:46:00,900
moved changed course and we don't know

1237
00:46:04,910 --> 00:46:02,849
what it is but to riots boy you know he

1238
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:04,920
doesn't go so far as to call it an alien

1239
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:08,130
craft piloted by you know intelligent

1240
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:09,370
beings

1241
00:46:14,700 --> 00:46:11,850
yeah yeah and again you know like we

1242
00:46:16,590 --> 00:46:14,710
playing off of that to Clayton going

1243
00:46:19,140 --> 00:46:16,600
back to Mars again and drilling and

1244
00:46:22,020 --> 00:46:19,150
trying to find life under the surface of

1245
00:46:24,300 --> 00:46:22,030
Mars I I do agree it seems to be

1246
00:46:28,110 --> 00:46:24,310
changing I can definitely see that

1247
00:46:30,930 --> 00:46:28,120
within the mainstream media and I think

1248
00:46:33,390 --> 00:46:30,940
that's great we just have to like Micah

1249
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:33,400
said be careful that we don't

1250
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:36,730
immediately connect it to UFOs because

1251
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:38,530
there they are different they're

1252
00:46:40,530 --> 00:46:39,970
compartmentalize and we got to be

1253
00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:40,540
careful

1254
00:46:47,130 --> 00:46:42,510
can I throw this out there is a question

1255
00:46:48,780 --> 00:46:47,140
since this is a round table so the idea

1256
00:46:50,810 --> 00:46:48,790
that you know we have this new we have

1257
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:50,820
this new probe on Mars with these

1258
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:53,920
remarkable high-definition photos you

1259
00:46:58,620 --> 00:46:56,770
know in the release this week of the the

1260
00:47:01,470 --> 00:46:58,630
first time we ever get to hear the winds

1261
00:47:03,690 --> 00:47:01,480
of Mars we're getting to see these

1262
00:47:07,740 --> 00:47:03,700
photos we're getting to hear these

1263
00:47:09,900 --> 00:47:07,750
sounds and those who argue well have so

1264
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:09,910
many do and you know David Wilcock and

1265
00:47:17,340 --> 00:47:12,640
others that there there are bases on

1266
00:47:19,290 --> 00:47:17,350
Mars there are bases on the moon why

1267
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:19,300
would these programs be allowed to go

1268
00:47:23,010 --> 00:47:21,040
forward enough for us to be able to see

1269
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:23,020
these incredible images I mean it seems

1270
00:47:25,860 --> 00:47:24,370
to me if the deep state were running

1271
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:25,870
things wouldn't this stuff just be

1272
00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:30,210
squashed well I think you can to me

1273
00:47:35,700 --> 00:47:33,250
believing that there may be et life

1274
00:47:37,830 --> 00:47:35,710
extraterrestrial life elsewhere does not

1275
00:47:40,050 --> 00:47:37,840
mean you necessarily buy into the moon

1276
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:40,060
base or the Mars base theories I mean I

1277
00:47:42,900 --> 00:47:41,200
don't think you're saying that but I

1278
00:47:44,820 --> 00:47:42,910
mean I've had people on it said the moon

1279
00:47:47,940 --> 00:47:44,830
on my shows that say the moon is

1280
00:47:50,070 --> 00:47:47,950
artificial now I totally don't believe

1281
00:47:51,780 --> 00:47:50,080
that but it's an interesting discussion

1282
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:51,790
to have it I believe on how having

1283
00:47:55,110 --> 00:47:53,290
people who don't necessarily agree with

1284
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:55,120
my point of view on I've even had flat

1285
00:48:00,060 --> 00:47:57,010
earthers on for goodness sake but the

1286
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:00,070
point is is that I don't for those of us

1287
00:48:04,980 --> 00:48:02,770
who believe that there probably is et

1288
00:48:06,990 --> 00:48:04,990
somewhere we don't necessarily have to

1289
00:48:09,150 --> 00:48:07,000
buy into those things so I would just

1290
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:09,160
say that maybe we'll talk and people who

1291
00:48:14,070 --> 00:48:12,010
say that Mars and the moon have bases

1292
00:48:17,700 --> 00:48:14,080
maybe the truth is they just don't but

1293
00:48:19,620 --> 00:48:17,710
your point is valid if there are Mars

1294
00:48:20,610 --> 00:48:19,630
bases why in the world would they allow

1295
00:48:22,660 --> 00:48:20,620
this or is it

1296
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:22,670
segmented to a certain part of this

1297
00:48:28,630 --> 00:48:26,210
surface away from the bases or Stanley

1298
00:48:36,220 --> 00:48:28,640
Stanley Kubrick done this all before he

1299
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:36,230
exactly well I mean one thing to point

1300
00:48:38,830 --> 00:48:37,520
out here is that I think that a lot of

1301
00:48:41,050 --> 00:48:38,840
the people who make the claims about you

1302
00:48:43,030 --> 00:48:41,060
know being part of secret space programs

1303
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:43,040
and you know all this kind of stuff you

1304
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:44,960
know earth-based Mars base moon base one

1305
00:48:49,240 --> 00:48:47,810
whatever if their claims aren't self

1306
00:48:52,270 --> 00:48:49,250
contradictory they're overtly

1307
00:48:53,860 --> 00:48:52,280
contradicted by the and again this is a

1308
00:48:56,410 --> 00:48:53,870
point that many skeptics like myself

1309
00:48:59,740 --> 00:48:56,420
would make I mean that there's a

1310
00:49:01,870 --> 00:48:59,750
plethora of data that supports more

1311
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:01,880
strongly the alternative idea which is

1312
00:49:05,500 --> 00:49:03,770
that like you know what we see on Mars

1313
00:49:07,330 --> 00:49:05,510
right now with with the current probes

1314
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:07,340
that we have elsewhere in the galaxy

1315
00:49:10,750 --> 00:49:09,050
were there on Mars or anywhere else that

1316
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:10,760
the data that we're getting from those

1317
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:13,490
is the best representation through

1318
00:49:16,540 --> 00:49:15,050
official channels of what we know about

1319
00:49:19,660 --> 00:49:16,550
those locations and what we are learning

1320
00:49:21,070 --> 00:49:19,670
about the universe my personal belief is

1321
00:49:23,470 --> 00:49:21,080
not that there is some sort of a deep

1322
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:23,480
state that is really they've already got

1323
00:49:26,590 --> 00:49:24,890
a base up there that we're traveling

1324
00:49:28,570 --> 00:49:26,600
outside of the universe you know or not

1325
00:49:30,910 --> 00:49:28,580
well some would say that baxley I mean

1326
00:49:32,710 --> 00:49:30,920
the solar system some would say goes as

1327
00:49:34,180 --> 00:49:32,720
far as travel to other dimensions and

1328
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:34,190
things like that so maybe it's not you

1329
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:35,450
know just a slip of the tongue to say

1330
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:37,490
outside the universe to all these crazy

1331
00:49:41,620 --> 00:49:39,170
claims though the thing is is that I

1332
00:49:44,890 --> 00:49:41,630
don't see equal evidence in support of

1333
00:49:46,570 --> 00:49:44,900
those things as far as as you know

1334
00:49:48,220 --> 00:49:46,580
anything verifiable any kind of a paper

1335
00:49:50,290 --> 00:49:48,230
trail any kind of a thread any kind of

1336
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:50,300
you know disclosure through through you

1337
00:49:53,860 --> 00:49:51,770
know people who have been whistleblowers

1338
00:49:56,260 --> 00:49:53,870
etc you even look at like wicked

1339
00:49:58,150 --> 00:49:56,270
WikiLeaks for example WikiLeaks you'd

1340
00:49:59,680 --> 00:49:58,160
think if there was gonna be good data

1341
00:50:01,360 --> 00:49:59,690
supporting some of the fringe claims

1342
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:01,370
that are made by those who claim to be

1343
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:02,570
in part of the deep state or whatever

1344
00:50:04,990 --> 00:50:04,160
else worked for the government on these

1345
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:05,000
kind of programs

1346
00:50:09,100 --> 00:50:07,280
I mean WikiLeaks would be the agency who

1347
00:50:11,530 --> 00:50:09,110
would be disclosing that data and even

1348
00:50:12,700 --> 00:50:11,540
Julian Assange when Podesta's emails

1349
00:50:14,860 --> 00:50:12,710
were hacked and this informations

1350
00:50:17,020 --> 00:50:14,870
released and they're talking about you

1351
00:50:18,700 --> 00:50:17,030
know in fact actually Tom DeLonge came

1352
00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:18,710
up in Podesta's emails because there

1353
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:20,480
were correspondences between the two of

1354
00:50:24,430 --> 00:50:22,570
them and apparently it was Major William

1355
00:50:27,790 --> 00:50:24,440
McCaslin I believe of wright-patterson

1356
00:50:30,700 --> 00:50:27,800
Air Force Base who was going with DeLong

1357
00:50:32,110 --> 00:50:30,710
to go meet with Podesta and in a very

1358
00:50:33,970 --> 00:50:32,120
contentious election year so that I mean

1359
00:50:36,340 --> 00:50:33,980
that's notable but even Julian Assange

1360
00:50:37,390 --> 00:50:36,350
took to Twitter and said guys you know

1361
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:37,400
I mean not so many words and I'm

1362
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:38,690
paraphrasing here he didn't have very

1363
00:50:43,990 --> 00:50:40,970
much interest in UFOs and said I'm

1364
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:44,000
seeing major media agencies talking

1365
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:46,130
about UFOs and and you know government

1366
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:49,010
interest in that that is far from being

1367
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:50,210
the most important thing that came out

1368
00:50:54,190 --> 00:50:51,920
in the Podesta email leaks you know and

1369
00:50:56,110 --> 00:50:54,200
you know what not so I mean even the

1370
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:56,120
head of WikiLeaks seems to be dismissive

1371
00:51:00,190 --> 00:50:58,160
of the subject to me I don't see a good

1372
00:51:01,900 --> 00:51:00,200
argument to be made that people who are

1373
00:51:02,650 --> 00:51:01,910
in the note or those who are looking for

1374
00:51:03,910 --> 00:51:02,660
those who are in the know and

1375
00:51:05,980 --> 00:51:03,920
information they may have been you know

1376
00:51:07,030 --> 00:51:05,990
may have released I don't see a good

1377
00:51:08,860 --> 00:51:07,040
argument that there's much to

1378
00:51:11,110 --> 00:51:08,870
substantiate those kind of claims now

1379
00:51:12,910 --> 00:51:11,120
conversely with the actual leading

1380
00:51:14,590 --> 00:51:12,920
science with what we're seeing from Mars

1381
00:51:16,750 --> 00:51:14,600
I listened to the audio of the winds of

1382
00:51:19,300 --> 00:51:16,760
Mars today that's an exciting prospect

1383
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:19,310
in itself but again I don't think that

1384
00:51:23,260 --> 00:51:21,170
that's necessarily indicative I don't

1385
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:23,270
know I don't think that that side of our

1386
00:51:27,970 --> 00:51:25,760
space exploration really has all that

1387
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:27,980
much to do with conspiracy or otherwise

1388
00:51:31,570 --> 00:51:30,170
the idea that alien life might exist

1389
00:51:32,770 --> 00:51:31,580
somewhere else in our solar system I

1390
00:51:34,090 --> 00:51:32,780
mean maybe I'm the only one thinks that

1391
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:34,100
I don't well I want to I want to jump in

1392
00:51:40,900 --> 00:51:38,480
here real quick because I do not believe

1393
00:51:43,030 --> 00:51:40,910
personally that there are bases on the

1394
00:51:46,270 --> 00:51:43,040
Moon and Mars but I will say this I

1395
00:51:49,180 --> 00:51:46,280
think in most of these things there's a

1396
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:49,190
reasonable middle ground now we recently

1397
00:51:52,330 --> 00:51:50,810
had Corey Goode on the show and I know a

1398
00:51:53,890 --> 00:51:52,340
lot of people will say oh yeah Corey

1399
00:51:56,020 --> 00:51:53,900
Goode huh but I again

1400
00:51:57,370 --> 00:51:56,030
my thing is bring the person on them

1401
00:51:59,500 --> 00:51:57,380
have their say let the audience decide

1402
00:52:01,240 --> 00:51:59,510
you've heard that before you've heard

1403
00:52:06,130 --> 00:52:01,250
that before Clayton heaven you decide

1404
00:52:10,270 --> 00:52:06,140
anyway no names please

1405
00:52:15,130 --> 00:52:10,280
but anyway weird slogan you decide

1406
00:52:16,750 --> 00:52:15,140
anyway anyhow so so we had Corey on now

1407
00:52:20,350 --> 00:52:16,760
he talks about the secret space program

1408
00:52:23,740 --> 00:52:20,360
now I would say personally I find the

1409
00:52:25,900 --> 00:52:23,750
idea of this you know idea of a secret

1410
00:52:28,300 --> 00:52:25,910
space program where people are having

1411
00:52:29,950 --> 00:52:28,310
dinner parties with aliens a little and

1412
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:29,960
he didn't say that but you know what I'm

1413
00:52:34,990 --> 00:52:33,440
saying is a little far-flung for me all

1414
00:52:36,820 --> 00:52:35,000
right either you look at you look at

1415
00:52:38,740 --> 00:52:36,830
things like the Dulce basin things and

1416
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:38,750
bill birnes was on the show and said

1417
00:52:42,250 --> 00:52:40,250
once they started to go and look at the

1418
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:42,260
Dulce base their show got cancelled I

1419
00:52:48,820 --> 00:52:45,680
mean it is it is interesting but to

1420
00:52:49,930 --> 00:52:48,830
think there is no military or secret

1421
00:52:51,609 --> 00:52:49,940
space program not

1422
00:52:53,319 --> 00:52:51,619
with capital letters secret space

1423
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:53,329
program but a secret space program is

1424
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:55,210
silly I don't think anybody here

1425
00:52:59,710 --> 00:52:57,770
believes that there isn't military

1426
00:53:03,430 --> 00:52:59,720
involvement a perfect example a couple

1427
00:53:05,859 --> 00:53:03,440
months ago when I was in the throes of

1428
00:53:07,540 --> 00:53:05,869
my severe cold where everybody sound

1429
00:53:10,839 --> 00:53:07,550
like chipmunks right after our Halloween

1430
00:53:12,339 --> 00:53:10,849
party guys I watched this special on

1431
00:53:16,109 --> 00:53:12,349
National Geographic about the Space

1432
00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:16,119
Shuttle and it was interesting because

1433
00:53:21,700 --> 00:53:18,800
one of the astronauts he was a scientist

1434
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:21,710
and he said yeah we sure did do military

1435
00:53:26,050 --> 00:53:24,050
stuff up there on the space shuttle and

1436
00:53:29,710 --> 00:53:26,060
that's about all I'm gonna say about

1437
00:53:31,870 --> 00:53:29,720
that and obviously that's continued if

1438
00:53:33,790 --> 00:53:31,880
you look at the space playing the x-37b

1439
00:53:36,970 --> 00:53:33,800
that goes up in space for a year at a

1440
00:53:40,780 --> 00:53:36,980
time and we don't know why I mean

1441
00:53:42,460 --> 00:53:40,790
there's this idea that that space is

1442
00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:42,470
going to be this perfectly peaceful

1443
00:53:46,420 --> 00:53:44,000
place and there's going to be no

1444
00:53:47,559 --> 00:53:46,430
military involvement I think is just I

1445
00:53:48,970 --> 00:53:47,569
mean it would be great if it could

1446
00:53:51,609 --> 00:53:48,980
happen but I think it's kind of naive

1447
00:53:53,109 --> 00:53:51,619
because do you know the Russians are

1448
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:53,119
doing things up there certainly the

1449
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:55,490
Chinese are and I think the u.s. if

1450
00:53:59,859 --> 00:53:57,170
you're looking at it from an American

1451
00:54:01,300 --> 00:53:59,869
perspective has to be prepared to defend

1452
00:54:04,300 --> 00:54:01,310
the country on all fronts including

1453
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:04,310
space so I definitely think their secret

1454
00:54:09,490 --> 00:54:07,520
programs going on but to the extent of

1455
00:54:13,660 --> 00:54:09,500
having again the dinner parties with the

1456
00:54:16,750 --> 00:54:13,670
aliens and so forth III don't really see

1457
00:54:19,300 --> 00:54:16,760
that what are your thoughts I would love

1458
00:54:24,609 --> 00:54:19,310
I mean that's the kind of this is the

1459
00:54:26,349 --> 00:54:24,619
great great dinner party the idea that

1460
00:54:28,210 --> 00:54:26,359
you know Corey Goode is flying up there

1461
00:54:30,339 --> 00:54:28,220
and meeting with the blue avians and

1462
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:30,349
they're you know they're communicating

1463
00:54:36,550 --> 00:54:33,770
telepathically you know and only think

1464
00:54:38,109 --> 00:54:36,560
about you know to me I think just

1465
00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:38,119
aspirationally are just thinking about

1466
00:54:44,290 --> 00:54:40,250
society as a whole I hope it's true

1467
00:54:47,589 --> 00:54:44,300
because his whole contention is that you

1468
00:54:51,099 --> 00:54:47,599
are too to have access to this you need

1469
00:54:52,660 --> 00:54:51,109
to be ascended right which is that you

1470
00:54:54,970 --> 00:54:52,670
are enlightened enough through

1471
00:54:58,569 --> 00:54:54,980
meditation prayer so for that you are

1472
00:55:01,599 --> 00:54:58,579
connected to every other human being at

1473
00:55:01,860 --> 00:55:01,609
a level that that is loving right that

1474
00:55:04,290 --> 00:55:01,870
your

1475
00:55:07,020 --> 00:55:04,300
you're breeding love and kindness and

1476
00:55:09,450 --> 00:55:07,030
that's how we ascend it's like that

1477
00:55:12,690 --> 00:55:09,460
that's your soul journey while you're

1478
00:55:14,820 --> 00:55:12,700
here and is to work on that we're all

1479
00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:14,830
brought here with a certain soul journey

1480
00:55:19,470 --> 00:55:16,960
to work on while we're here and so the

1481
00:55:21,720 --> 00:55:19,480
idea of society as a whole as as

1482
00:55:24,570 --> 00:55:21,730
ascending that each time we come back we

1483
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:24,580
have a chance to work on that and so the

1484
00:55:30,300 --> 00:55:26,530
sort of collective consciousness so I

1485
00:55:33,180 --> 00:55:30,310
love that idea I love and it answers the

1486
00:55:34,980 --> 00:55:33,190
question like why are we here it has

1487
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:34,990
that answer because no one to really

1488
00:55:39,450 --> 00:55:37,690
answer that before so in that way I'm

1489
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:39,460
fascinated by that and I think it gives

1490
00:55:43,100 --> 00:55:42,370
us something to work towards I mean if

1491
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:43,110
nothing else

1492
00:55:48,990 --> 00:55:45,370
Clayton do you think maybe that it is

1493
00:55:51,090 --> 00:55:49,000
sort of in its own way a modern kind of

1494
00:55:52,380 --> 00:55:51,100
answer to religion I mean I'm not saying

1495
00:55:54,690 --> 00:55:52,390
that there aren't people who are

1496
00:55:56,130 --> 00:55:54,700
adherence to religions today as there

1497
00:55:58,020 --> 00:55:56,140
have been at times in the past but do

1498
00:55:59,580 --> 00:55:58,030
you think that in that way what is

1499
00:56:01,440 --> 00:55:59,590
appealing about some of those ideas

1500
00:56:03,420 --> 00:56:01,450
crazy though some of them are like what

1501
00:56:05,220 --> 00:56:03,430
Corrie Gooden so the folks say you know

1502
00:56:07,380 --> 00:56:05,230
as it relates to the so-called secret

1503
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:07,390
space program kind of aspect of all this

1504
00:56:09,870 --> 00:56:08,530
I mean do you think that that almost

1505
00:56:11,190 --> 00:56:09,880
kind of supplants religion and therefore

1506
00:56:14,070 --> 00:56:11,200
it is appealing like you're talking

1507
00:56:16,170 --> 00:56:14,080
about I think it is I think you're right

1508
00:56:19,410 --> 00:56:16,180
about that I think for those people who

1509
00:56:22,530 --> 00:56:19,420
grew up but you know a strict type of

1510
00:56:24,060 --> 00:56:22,540
religion or grew up in a tribe in some

1511
00:56:26,940 --> 00:56:24,070
part of the world that never heard of

1512
00:56:28,740 --> 00:56:26,950
another religion and yet somehow they

1513
00:56:30,210 --> 00:56:28,750
are not allowed to get into the kingdom

1514
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:30,220
of heaven because they never heard of it

1515
00:56:34,860 --> 00:56:32,170
you know or they just never knew you

1516
00:56:36,660 --> 00:56:34,870
know it just seems crazy to me but you

1517
00:56:38,910 --> 00:56:36,670
know so the it's almost like a post

1518
00:56:41,130 --> 00:56:38,920
religion world it's almost like a way of

1519
00:56:42,660 --> 00:56:41,140
looking at it saying you know what I get

1520
00:56:44,580 --> 00:56:42,670
all of your religions you're kind of

1521
00:56:46,530 --> 00:56:44,590
close you're all kind of pointing in the

1522
00:56:48,780 --> 00:56:46,540
right direction but under this one

1523
00:56:51,570 --> 00:56:48,790
umbrella this is the story like it's all

1524
00:56:53,690 --> 00:56:51,580
pointing closely to what we're what this

1525
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:53,700
with this Koree good messages you know

1526
00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:56,170
that we're all trying to ascend we're

1527
00:56:59,520 --> 00:56:57,850
all trying to do good and bring love to

1528
00:57:01,650 --> 00:56:59,530
other people and that's how we that's

1529
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:01,660
how we ascend as a society and yes we

1530
00:57:05,700 --> 00:57:03,010
have these wars but if you look

1531
00:57:07,590 --> 00:57:05,710
collectively there's so much there is so

1532
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:07,600
much movement towards love that it's

1533
00:57:12,270 --> 00:57:10,330
easy in the media world to be to see the

1534
00:57:13,620 --> 00:57:12,280
violence in Paris and to see these

1535
00:57:14,550 --> 00:57:13,630
things unfolding and to think that

1536
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:14,560
that's the world

1537
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:16,810
on fire yeah yeah and yet you just

1538
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:18,370
walked down the street and people waving

1539
00:57:22,260 --> 00:57:20,770
to you you know there's so I I think

1540
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:22,270
yeah I think you're right maybe one it's

1541
00:57:27,180 --> 00:57:25,690
sort of like a post religion a post

1542
00:57:28,140 --> 00:57:27,190
religion way of looking at the world

1543
00:57:32,430 --> 00:57:28,150
Ryan

1544
00:57:35,100 --> 00:57:32,440
what do you say right I won't know I I

1545
00:57:38,580 --> 00:57:35,110
mean I'm only quiet because I'm too

1546
00:57:40,380 --> 00:57:38,590
agreeable sometimes guys I have nothing

1547
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:40,390
to argue or debate with any of that my

1548
00:57:46,380 --> 00:57:42,610
only sort of contribution in this area I

1549
00:57:49,620 --> 00:57:46,390
guess would be you know yeah we look at

1550
00:57:52,980 --> 00:57:49,630
like the early 50s and all these huge

1551
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:52,990
technological booms that we had you know

1552
00:57:58,310 --> 00:57:56,050
this was the the hot time for UFOs and

1553
00:58:01,160 --> 00:57:58,320
you look at a lot of historians and and

1554
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:01,170
even sociologists and anthropologists

1555
00:58:07,790 --> 00:58:04,210
and everyone in between they look at the

1556
00:58:11,460 --> 00:58:07,800
UFO topic or the this alien topic again

1557
00:58:14,190 --> 00:58:11,470
separated too looking looking at it as

1558
00:58:16,830 --> 00:58:14,200
our ambitions to move forward to get

1559
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:16,840
past something and maybe claim you're

1560
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:18,730
right maybe it is that whole idea of a a

1561
00:58:24,090 --> 00:58:21,280
structured religion or belief system and

1562
00:58:25,620 --> 00:58:24,100
we can maybe move past that you know a

1563
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:25,630
lot of people believe that UFOs were

1564
00:58:32,310 --> 00:58:29,410
just were that it was our ambition to

1565
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:32,320
find meaning as humans to find meaning

1566
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:35,410
past our own planet and out there so I

1567
00:58:41,250 --> 00:58:38,530
think it's really fascinating and a

1568
00:58:43,590 --> 00:58:41,260
conversation we've sort of only begun

1569
00:58:44,790 --> 00:58:43,600
back here on earth and maybe this is

1570
00:58:46,470 --> 00:58:44,800
just me and you know because I'm always

1571
00:58:48,030 --> 00:58:46,480
I'd love to throw these things out and

1572
00:58:52,500 --> 00:58:48,040
these are like it's like a it's like a

1573
00:58:54,870 --> 00:58:52,510
grenade and but no I mean this year has

1574
00:58:56,790 --> 00:58:54,880
been a real remarkable journey for me

1575
00:59:01,730 --> 00:58:56,800
personally like on a spiritual level

1576
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:01,740
where I learned from a very high level

1577
00:59:08,550 --> 00:59:06,010
psychic medium that I was I was an

1578
00:59:10,770 --> 00:59:08,560
empath and she said have you haven't you

1579
00:59:13,620 --> 00:59:10,780
ever noticed that you particularly you

1580
00:59:15,210 --> 00:59:13,630
take on and absorb all of these energies

1581
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:15,220
of people as you enter you know

1582
00:59:18,930 --> 00:59:17,290
different spaces and I said oh you mean

1583
00:59:20,490 --> 00:59:18,940
I'm empathetic she's gonna know we're

1584
00:59:22,140 --> 00:59:20,500
all empathetic unless you're sociopaths

1585
00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:22,150
she said you know we're but you are an

1586
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:24,160
empath like it ah you know and so I

1587
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:25,890
really started studying and diving

1588
00:59:31,100 --> 00:59:28,410
into that and taking sort like weekly

1589
00:59:34,430 --> 00:59:31,110
classes and and and and I have to say

1590
00:59:37,820 --> 00:59:34,440
the year unfolded very very differently

1591
00:59:40,100 --> 00:59:37,830
for me than it had in years past and it

1592
00:59:42,590 --> 00:59:40,110
is true when you can sort of tap into

1593
00:59:44,660 --> 00:59:42,600
that other world you start to notice and

1594
00:59:46,490 --> 00:59:44,670
pay attention to these energies and

1595
00:59:48,140 --> 00:59:46,500
things that were so caught up in with

1596
00:59:49,820 --> 00:59:48,150
our smartphones and other things and

1597
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:49,830
distractions and text messages you know

1598
00:59:53,540 --> 00:59:51,450
60 minutes last night had a whole piece

1599
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:53,550
of screen time and what it may be doing

1600
00:59:57,980 --> 00:59:55,530
to my children's brains you know it's

1601
01:00:01,040 --> 00:59:57,990
and that it's actually like a thinning

1602
01:00:03,740 --> 01:00:01,050
of the the cortex of the brain with all

1603
01:00:05,870 --> 01:00:03,750
this distraction and so this year I mean

1604
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:05,880
it you know the the idea of trying to

1605
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:07,770
ascend it's like I have way more I have

1606
01:00:11,780 --> 01:00:09,690
so much more work to do on this subject

1607
01:00:13,490 --> 01:00:11,790
but just the fact like that I've started

1608
01:00:15,650 --> 01:00:13,500
to crack the egg a little bit this year

1609
01:00:18,110 --> 01:00:15,660
and started to journal about it every

1610
01:00:19,730 --> 01:00:18,120
day and I started meditation started to

1611
01:00:21,710 --> 01:00:19,740
notice things and started throughout the

1612
01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:21,720
day to take and pay attention to these

1613
01:00:25,460 --> 01:00:23,760
energies that you know we call it

1614
01:00:26,540 --> 01:00:25,470
consciousness Universal conscious and

1615
01:00:28,220 --> 01:00:26,550
this call it your guides and angels

1616
01:00:31,310 --> 01:00:28,230
spirits whatever are starting to show

1617
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:31,320
you and allow you know to point you in

1618
01:00:35,090 --> 01:00:33,930
certain directions then if you start to

1619
01:00:36,980 --> 01:00:35,100
pay attention to those things and

1620
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:36,990
imagine all of us starting to pay

1621
01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:38,970
attention to those things it might be a

1622
01:00:43,610 --> 01:00:42,000
kinder might be a kinder Society you

1623
01:00:45,860 --> 01:00:43,620
know I don't know but that was my

1624
01:00:47,450 --> 01:00:45,870
journey this year well it's a it's one

1625
01:00:51,740 --> 01:00:47,460
of those things where I think with the

1626
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:51,750
technology and all of the inputs we have

1627
01:00:55,610 --> 01:00:53,850
going you know the whole idea you know

1628
01:00:58,010 --> 01:00:55,620
again I'm not a great spiritualist but a

1629
01:01:00,380 --> 01:00:58,020
lot of it is to be still right to give

1630
01:01:03,230 --> 01:01:00,390
time to think in to ponder into

1631
01:01:04,820 --> 01:01:03,240
meditating get in touch with the

1632
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:04,830
universe and get in touch with your

1633
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:07,440
loved ones I think that is so difficult

1634
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:10,650
to do because there are so many inputs I

1635
01:01:15,230 --> 01:01:12,450
mean if you look at human beings what is

1636
01:01:16,940 --> 01:01:15,240
our mind basically geared to remember

1637
01:01:18,350 --> 01:01:16,950
something like a hundred people or

1638
01:01:20,830 --> 01:01:18,360
something or maybe unless I forget what

1639
01:01:23,270 --> 01:01:20,840
the number is it's very small in and yet

1640
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:23,280
many of us have thousands of quote

1641
01:01:28,070 --> 01:01:25,890
friends online and our brains are on

1642
01:01:29,540 --> 01:01:28,080
perpetual overload in this might not

1643
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:29,550
have a lot to do with the UFO subject

1644
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:31,920
I'll just interject it's very hard to

1645
01:01:36,780 --> 01:01:33,410
get back to that kind of state

1646
01:01:38,700 --> 01:01:36,790
particularly in today's world

1647
01:01:41,310 --> 01:01:38,710
oh absolutely and I mean the the

1648
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:41,320
influence of technology and media alone

1649
01:01:47,130 --> 01:01:45,250
Jim I mean we have people who are you

1650
01:01:49,610 --> 01:01:47,140
know now this whole new form of media

1651
01:01:52,620 --> 01:01:49,620
where we're inserting things into

1652
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:52,630
history you know maybe it's a world war

1653
01:01:58,970 --> 01:01:55,810
two photo and you've got a Star Wars

1654
01:02:02,460 --> 01:01:58,980
character put in there and it looks so

1655
01:02:04,740 --> 01:02:02,470
ungodly real that who's to say in a

1656
01:02:06,270 --> 01:02:04,750
hundred years that's society's gonna

1657
01:02:09,810 --> 01:02:06,280
look back and be like oh yeah r2d2

1658
01:02:13,110 --> 01:02:09,820
totally was part of you know landed on

1659
01:02:15,150 --> 01:02:13,120
the beaches of Normandy it's fascinating

1660
01:02:17,550 --> 01:02:15,160
to think you know as we move forward

1661
01:02:20,790 --> 01:02:17,560
that our collective consciousness and

1662
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:20,800
memory can actually be formed by our

1663
01:02:25,830 --> 01:02:23,650
media and technology moving forward it's

1664
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:25,840
it's it's amazing it's amazing it's

1665
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:27,730
exciting it's also a little scary not

1666
01:02:32,250 --> 01:02:30,490
gonna lie Ryan I always like to think

1667
01:02:34,740 --> 01:02:32,260
archaeologically about things like that

1668
01:02:36,750 --> 01:02:34,750
that in the event of some god forbid

1669
01:02:38,310 --> 01:02:36,760
some future apocalypse that these photos

1670
01:02:40,350 --> 01:02:38,320
you know or more importantly these

1671
01:02:42,090 --> 01:02:40,360
Photoshop 2 renditions of historical

1672
01:02:44,310 --> 01:02:42,100
photos are left to posterity whoever

1673
01:02:45,780 --> 01:02:44,320
survives the great cataclysm and they

1674
01:02:47,850 --> 01:02:45,790
come back and they find the remnants of

1675
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:47,860
lost civilization hours and they see

1676
01:02:51,750 --> 01:02:50,050
pictures of r2d2 standing there on the

1677
01:02:52,980 --> 01:02:51,760
beach at Normandy and going what's this

1678
01:02:55,110 --> 01:02:52,990
little guy you know and they're trying

1679
01:02:57,210 --> 01:02:55,120
to interpret the past through the

1680
01:02:59,730 --> 01:02:57,220
simulacra that we have created like

1681
01:03:01,530 --> 01:02:59,740
Pompeii you know yeah I mean it would be

1682
01:03:03,540 --> 01:03:01,540
like us looking at Pompeii and finding

1683
01:03:05,250 --> 01:03:03,550
some great artistic inside joke and

1684
01:03:08,190 --> 01:03:05,260
trying to interpret that as being a

1685
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:08,200
portrayal of their everyday reality but

1686
01:03:11,370 --> 01:03:09,250
it wasn't that and they never intended

1687
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:11,380
to be that way but I mean in that same

1688
01:03:16,590 --> 01:03:13,890
way like Ryan saying Voynich manuscript

1689
01:03:19,650 --> 01:03:16,600
well yeah yeah right and we're

1690
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:19,660
interpreting our own toying with our

1691
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:21,730
reality and our playing with the

1692
01:03:25,470 --> 01:03:23,530
photoshopping of reality so to speak

1693
01:03:27,150 --> 01:03:25,480
we're beginning to interpret that as

1694
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:27,160
being a real aspect of ourselves too I

1695
01:03:31,050 --> 01:03:29,530
mean quick example how many people do

1696
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:31,060
you know through social media that

1697
01:03:34,530 --> 01:03:32,290
you've never seen their face they use

1698
01:03:35,490 --> 01:03:34,540
some sort of icon or avatar and it's

1699
01:03:36,750 --> 01:03:35,500
like they've got a whole different

1700
01:03:38,850 --> 01:03:36,760
persona they probably don't use their

1701
01:03:40,590 --> 01:03:38,860
real name either and they may lie about

1702
01:03:42,060 --> 01:03:40,600
their age their job everything you may

1703
01:03:43,470 --> 01:03:42,070
not know anything about that individual

1704
01:03:45,030 --> 01:03:43,480
but they will tweet at you every day and

1705
01:03:47,700 --> 01:03:45,040
you may have interactions with somebody

1706
01:03:49,470 --> 01:03:47,710
who beyond that interaction there is no

1707
01:03:50,820 --> 01:03:49,480
realistic sense of who or what that

1708
01:03:52,590 --> 01:03:50,830
personality

1709
01:03:56,490 --> 01:03:52,600
but they could be a Russian bot for all

1710
01:03:58,890 --> 01:03:56,500
you know I mean stop tweeting I have to

1711
01:04:00,300 --> 01:03:58,900
have some what but I mean I think you

1712
01:04:02,490 --> 01:04:00,310
see what I'm saying it's like we are now

1713
01:04:04,740 --> 01:04:02,500
interacting with a level of reality that

1714
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:04,750
there's so little realism to it that we

1715
01:04:08,730 --> 01:04:07,210
can't discern reality from what is fake

1716
01:04:10,110 --> 01:04:08,740
I mean it's it's a very bizarre time

1717
01:04:13,950 --> 01:04:10,120
that we live in technologically and

1718
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:13,960
otherwise yeah yeah and you know when

1719
01:04:18,750 --> 01:04:15,970
will that you know sort of idea of

1720
01:04:21,540 --> 01:04:18,760
transhumanism start to play into Myka

1721
01:04:23,730 --> 01:04:21,550
like when will it be too much or too

1722
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:23,740
soon or what's the good and the bad of

1723
01:04:27,330 --> 01:04:26,650
all of that you know this merging of our

1724
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:27,340
future

1725
01:04:32,610 --> 01:04:30,850
I listen to that you probably most of

1726
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:32,620
you or all of you heard that interview

1727
01:04:38,370 --> 01:04:35,170
Elon Musk did with Joe Rogan which was

1728
01:04:40,410 --> 01:04:38,380
best known because he was smoking a

1729
01:04:42,690 --> 01:04:40,420
certain substance but actually if you

1730
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:42,700
listen you forget about that you listen

1731
01:04:46,770 --> 01:04:45,370
to the actual interview I gotta give Joe

1732
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:46,780
Rogan all the credit in the world that's

1733
01:04:50,100 --> 01:04:48,370
one of the best interviews I've ever

1734
01:04:53,070 --> 01:04:50,110
heard and it was one of the most

1735
01:04:55,970 --> 01:04:53,080
interesting and must talked about how we

1736
01:04:59,190 --> 01:04:55,980
are going to go transhumanism and how

1737
01:05:01,860 --> 01:04:59,200
you know how almost certain it is how

1738
01:05:04,380 --> 01:05:01,870
relatively easy it's going to be as

1739
01:05:06,110 --> 01:05:04,390
technology happens and we'll be left

1740
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:06,120
with a choice and you're going to have

1741
01:05:11,100 --> 01:05:08,410
classes of people you're going to have

1742
01:05:12,540 --> 01:05:11,110
these Jackson's superhumans who are

1743
01:05:14,220 --> 01:05:12,550
checked into the internet and have

1744
01:05:16,020 --> 01:05:14,230
infinite knowledge immediately their

1745
01:05:17,340 --> 01:05:16,030
fingertips and then you have people that

1746
01:05:19,530 --> 01:05:17,350
don't want to participate then you're

1747
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:19,540
gonna almost create different classes of

1748
01:05:27,390 --> 01:05:23,530
humans and it's very frightening and you

1749
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:27,400
just see views with artificial

1750
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:29,290
intelligence and so forth we're going

1751
01:05:34,290 --> 01:05:31,690
into outside sometimes I think the

1752
01:05:37,590 --> 01:05:34,300
aliens may be less scary and less scary

1753
01:05:39,150 --> 01:05:37,600
than we are if they exist because the

1754
01:05:41,580 --> 01:05:39,160
things are come up with AI and

1755
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:41,590
transhumanism it really is sci-fi

1756
01:05:46,770 --> 01:05:44,890
material oh yeah and I mean you also

1757
01:05:50,100 --> 01:05:46,780
look at like these this idea of like a

1758
01:05:54,540 --> 01:05:50,110
social capital you know I mean someday

1759
01:05:57,840 --> 01:05:54,550
maybe here we will you know be able to

1760
01:06:01,290 --> 01:05:57,850
buy a you know a gallon of milk or soy

1761
01:06:02,790 --> 01:06:01,300
milk let's say with our social capital

1762
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:02,800
how many likes we got on a social

1763
01:06:06,030 --> 01:06:03,610
network

1764
01:06:07,860 --> 01:06:06,040
we'll pay for some I was I will admit to

1765
01:06:10,380 --> 01:06:07,870
a couple of times and this has worked

1766
01:06:12,870 --> 01:06:10,390
with companies that were being unfair

1767
01:06:16,950 --> 01:06:12,880
with warranty situations and things and

1768
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:16,960
I've said you know I will let my 40,000

1769
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:19,210
and that's a small following these days

1770
01:06:24,300 --> 01:06:21,850
but my 40,000 people know that I'm

1771
01:06:26,010 --> 01:06:24,310
displeased with your project a product

1772
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:26,020
and all of a sudden they became

1773
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:28,690
enlightened to the the rightfulness of

1774
01:06:34,620 --> 01:06:31,090
my cause and I don't like to do that but

1775
01:06:36,900 --> 01:06:34,630
it's kind of like that right there it is

1776
01:06:38,910 --> 01:06:36,910
in having that power Jim like you

1777
01:06:41,310 --> 01:06:38,920
imagine someone who would use that for a

1778
01:06:43,470 --> 01:06:41,320
different motive you know a different

1779
01:06:45,060 --> 01:06:43,480
agenda right my I think because my

1780
01:06:47,490 --> 01:06:45,070
refrigerator was a month out of warranty

1781
01:06:52,830 --> 01:06:47,500
it was 13 months old and it went on the

1782
01:06:55,020 --> 01:06:52,840
fritz which was ridiculous but but but

1783
01:06:56,820 --> 01:06:55,030
but nevertheless I know moving on to

1784
01:06:59,670 --> 01:06:56,830
another subject if we may

1785
01:07:01,320 --> 01:06:59,680
Mike I had an interesting article and

1786
01:07:03,810 --> 01:07:01,330
I'll let him take this one because this

1787
01:07:05,370 --> 01:07:03,820
was his his babies at work I don't think

1788
01:07:07,620 --> 01:07:05,380
we've heard a lot about the topic of

1789
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:07,630
cattle mutilations certainly a

1790
01:07:11,250 --> 01:07:09,490
fascinating topic that we used to hear a

1791
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:11,260
lot about not as much anymore

1792
01:07:16,530 --> 01:07:12,970
what was this case that really caught

1793
01:07:18,690 --> 01:07:16,540
your interest Micah here in 2018 well I

1794
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:18,700
have to give props to mark Brady who is

1795
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:20,290
a wonderful fellow who sends me a lot of

1796
01:07:23,490 --> 01:07:22,450
news on a weekly basis because I mean

1797
01:07:25,650 --> 01:07:23,500
when you like me and you're doing how

1798
01:07:28,620 --> 01:07:25,660
many podcasts do I do I mean I think Jim

1799
01:07:30,330 --> 01:07:28,630
and I are constantly like you know kind

1800
01:07:34,650 --> 01:07:30,340
of kind of trying to see who can do the

1801
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:34,660
most you know so but the the story had

1802
01:07:38,940 --> 01:07:36,490
been one that Mark sent along to me and

1803
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:38,950
this from out in the general region of

1804
01:07:42,420 --> 01:07:40,930
you know the Grand Canyon Williams I

1805
01:07:45,140 --> 01:07:42,430
think is the actual area and the

1806
01:07:46,950 --> 01:07:45,150
Williams news therefore being the

1807
01:07:48,180 --> 01:07:46,960
periodical that reported this and the

1808
01:07:50,610 --> 01:07:48,190
title of the article was just cattle

1809
01:07:52,380 --> 01:07:50,620
mutilations baffle Williams rancher but

1810
01:07:53,370 --> 01:07:52,390
this story is well worth read if you

1811
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:53,380
haven't seen it the reason why is

1812
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:54,970
because Wendy Howell wrote about this

1813
01:08:01,530 --> 01:07:57,250
and it tells the story of a man his name

1814
01:08:03,630 --> 01:08:01,540
is uh John Mahan and he had had a

1815
01:08:06,570 --> 01:08:03,640
mutilation of I believe you know a calf

1816
01:08:07,950 --> 01:08:06,580
and then a mother cow on his ranch he

1817
01:08:09,570 --> 01:08:07,960
didn't have a whole lot of cattle and

1818
01:08:10,710 --> 01:08:09,580
some of the points that are made in this

1819
01:08:12,210 --> 01:08:10,720
are calming first of all there's no

1820
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:12,220
mention of extraterrestrials and silly

1821
01:08:15,870 --> 01:08:13,810
stuff I mean not to say that that's a

1822
01:08:17,309 --> 01:08:15,880
silly subject but I mean I think that

1823
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:17,319
part of the problem with the cattle

1824
01:08:19,919 --> 01:08:18,730
Relation situation is the way that

1825
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:19,929
people are like oh the aliens are

1826
01:08:23,069 --> 01:08:21,730
abducting the cows you know and you know

1827
01:08:24,930 --> 01:08:23,079
probing their rectum or whatever else

1828
01:08:26,910 --> 01:08:24,940
you know there are a lot of really silly

1829
01:08:28,979 --> 01:08:26,920
things you know that have kind of become

1830
01:08:31,140 --> 01:08:28,989
NEMA fide in relation to the UFO

1831
01:08:32,789 --> 01:08:31,150
connection with cattle mutilation it

1832
01:08:34,229 --> 01:08:32,799
kind of prompted me now this article by

1833
01:08:35,789 --> 01:08:34,239
the way was published in September but

1834
01:08:37,589 --> 01:08:35,799
hey it's a year in review right so and

1835
01:08:39,209 --> 01:08:37,599
this to me was one of the most

1836
01:08:42,149 --> 01:08:39,219
interesting articles of the year because

1837
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:42,159
no mention of ET no mention of UFOs no

1838
01:08:45,809 --> 01:08:43,690
crackpot theories about the Illuminati

1839
01:08:47,550 --> 01:08:45,819
or secret organizations you know satanic

1840
01:08:49,979 --> 01:08:47,560
cults or anything like that it is a man

1841
01:08:53,069 --> 01:08:49,989
who is an investigator and he says

1842
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:53,079
whoever is doing this it's obviously not

1843
01:08:56,849 --> 01:08:54,730
animals this is not predation there are

1844
01:08:59,099 --> 01:08:56,859
chemicals involved the caucuses are left

1845
01:09:01,349 --> 01:08:59,109
and they are not there's again there's

1846
01:09:04,379 --> 01:09:01,359
often been the assertion that predation

1847
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:04,389
occurs after a natural death if it foxes

1848
01:09:07,410 --> 01:09:05,770
and insects and all different kinds of

1849
01:09:09,780 --> 01:09:07,420
varmints and things can leave what

1850
01:09:12,149 --> 01:09:09,790
appear but actually aren't but appear to

1851
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:12,159
be surgical incisions where you know

1852
01:09:15,059 --> 01:09:13,690
there are small tissues and you know

1853
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:15,069
organs remove things like this the

1854
01:09:19,140 --> 01:09:17,290
eyeballs the tongue whatever and this

1855
01:09:21,689 --> 01:09:19,150
investigator is very credibly very

1856
01:09:24,030 --> 01:09:21,699
soberly saying look somebody is doing

1857
01:09:25,740 --> 01:09:24,040
this and it's sick he he tallies that

1858
01:09:28,589 --> 01:09:25,750
it's more than seven thousand dollars

1859
01:09:31,709 --> 01:09:28,599
that John Mahan lost in this mutilation

1860
01:09:33,539 --> 01:09:31,719
and he says somebody locally he thinks

1861
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:33,549
must have known what was going on and

1862
01:09:37,019 --> 01:09:35,170
had been surveilling this property

1863
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:37,029
because he said that the way that these

1864
01:09:41,039 --> 01:09:39,489
these farms been exported the way that

1865
01:09:42,930 --> 01:09:41,049
the carcasses were removed and then they

1866
01:09:44,939 --> 01:09:42,940
were left on this part of their property

1867
01:09:46,379 --> 01:09:44,949
where there would be unlikely to be

1868
01:09:47,669 --> 01:09:46,389
found he said it seemed that someone had

1869
01:09:49,709 --> 01:09:47,679
surveilled the property knew it very

1870
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:49,719
well and he's going into the systemic

1871
01:09:53,819 --> 01:09:51,250
aspect of this in terms of how he

1872
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:53,829
believes whoever and he says whoever he

1873
01:09:57,479 --> 01:09:55,210
thinks there was a person behind this

1874
01:09:59,640 --> 01:09:57,489
and he says equipment equivocal II it's

1875
01:10:01,560 --> 01:09:59,650
cynic and that's a lot of money for

1876
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:01,570
these people to have lost and we got to

1877
01:10:04,500 --> 01:10:02,650
get to the bottom of this and so he's

1878
01:10:05,669 --> 01:10:04,510
asking for people in the community look

1879
01:10:07,859 --> 01:10:05,679
if you know anything if you've seen

1880
01:10:10,020 --> 01:10:07,869
anything please come forward but to see

1881
01:10:11,970 --> 01:10:10,030
such a sober down-to-earth treatment of

1882
01:10:15,450 --> 01:10:11,980
a subject that since at least the mid

1883
01:10:17,370 --> 01:10:15,460
1970s has really catch the imaginations

1884
01:10:18,780 --> 01:10:17,380
of UFO researchers and it really got me

1885
01:10:20,189 --> 01:10:18,790
thinking oh man we've got to look back

1886
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:20,199
at you know well what is it about this

1887
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:23,170
subject that we tie to ufos well again

1888
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:25,210
the early investigations and guys you

1889
01:10:28,979 --> 01:10:26,770
know you know me I know you guys are all

1890
01:10:30,689 --> 01:10:28,989
like this Clayton you know Ryan I went

1891
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:30,699
to fbi.gov and I start

1892
01:10:34,860 --> 01:10:33,010
you know reviewing some of the FBI's own

1893
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:34,870
documentation on cattle mutilations and

1894
01:10:39,030 --> 01:10:37,449
you know even skeptics you know one of

1895
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:39,040
the riders over at skeptoid had noted

1896
01:10:42,510 --> 01:10:40,810
that the FBI's own investigation

1897
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:42,520
amounted a little more than collecting

1898
01:10:46,140 --> 01:10:44,290
newspaper clippings because of

1899
01:10:47,610 --> 01:10:46,150
jurisdictional issues at the time and

1900
01:10:49,020 --> 01:10:47,620
yet they put up their files and many

1901
01:10:50,939 --> 01:10:49,030
people cite that kind of lackluster

1902
01:10:52,470 --> 01:10:50,949
research that they had done at the time

1903
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:52,480
and maybe there were reasons but that

1904
01:10:55,919 --> 01:10:54,730
was the case but they cite that as being

1905
01:10:58,020 --> 01:10:55,929
the be-all end-all one of the

1906
01:10:59,970 --> 01:10:58,030
memorandums actually read there's never

1907
01:11:01,410 --> 01:10:59,980
any information gathered at the site of

1908
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:01,420
these mutilations that's of any

1909
01:11:04,740 --> 01:11:02,650
substance were valued for further

1910
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:04,750
investigations and I'm thinking you look

1911
01:11:10,709 --> 01:11:06,850
back at some of the ones near Dulce in

1912
01:11:12,450 --> 01:11:10,719
1974 they found atropine insecticide in

1913
01:11:14,790 --> 01:11:12,460
the bloodstream of the cattle I mean

1914
01:11:16,380 --> 01:11:14,800
they found numerous marks where they

1915
01:11:18,390 --> 01:11:16,390
described these these odd little

1916
01:11:20,250 --> 01:11:18,400
depressions in the ground where they set

1917
01:11:21,689 --> 01:11:20,260
a tripod like structure of some kind

1918
01:11:23,310 --> 01:11:21,699
appears to have touched down followed

1919
01:11:26,070 --> 01:11:23,320
one of the cattle for about six hundred

1920
01:11:27,510 --> 01:11:26,080
yards there was appearance you know due

1921
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:27,520
to these scuff marks on the ground and

1922
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:29,410
whatnot of a struggle with the cow and

1923
01:11:33,330 --> 01:11:32,170
then the body has dumped another several

1924
01:11:34,919 --> 01:11:33,340
yards away from that they say that

1925
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:34,929
there's indications of bruising and

1926
01:11:38,070 --> 01:11:36,370
breakage which indicated that it had

1927
01:11:39,990 --> 01:11:38,080
been dropped from what appeared to be

1928
01:11:42,900 --> 01:11:40,000
some sort of an aircraft and most

1929
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:42,910
telling gabrielle valdez had been part

1930
01:11:45,930 --> 01:11:44,410
of the New Mexico State Police who

1931
01:11:47,340 --> 01:11:45,940
investigated one of these actually

1932
01:11:50,010 --> 01:11:47,350
several of these incidents in New Mexico

1933
01:11:52,919 --> 01:11:50,020
back in 1975 and 76 he said that they

1934
01:11:54,990 --> 01:11:52,929
found traces of radiation at the site of

1935
01:11:57,720 --> 01:11:55,000
these investigations but that it was his

1936
01:12:00,689 --> 01:11:57,730
opinion that the radiation was left to

1937
01:12:02,550 --> 01:12:00,699
confuse the investigators they weren't

1938
01:12:03,959 --> 01:12:02,560
treating this like a UFO investigation

1939
01:12:05,430 --> 01:12:03,969
they said look we think somebody's doing

1940
01:12:07,350 --> 01:12:05,440
this we think that there is some kind of

1941
01:12:08,939 --> 01:12:07,360
aircraft involved we think that there's

1942
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:08,949
a tremendous amount of funding behind

1943
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:11,530
whatever or whoever is doing this but

1944
01:12:15,090 --> 01:12:13,690
that there are obvious facets of this

1945
01:12:17,430 --> 01:12:15,100
that we can't explain and some of it we

1946
01:12:19,110 --> 01:12:17,440
think is intended to mislead us I mean

1947
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:19,120
and it really got me thinking about the

1948
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:20,770
whole cattle mutilation thing it's

1949
01:12:23,700 --> 01:12:22,090
something that you don't hear about as

1950
01:12:25,709 --> 01:12:23,710
much today today though and so when

1951
01:12:27,390 --> 01:12:25,719
again the Williams News reported this

1952
01:12:29,459 --> 01:12:27,400
and we're seeing the same kind of

1953
01:12:30,570 --> 01:12:29,469
treatment it's kind of sad in a way I'll

1954
01:12:32,610 --> 01:12:30,580
leave you with this guy's in the lunch

1955
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:32,620
your opinions you know we seem to have

1956
01:12:36,900 --> 01:12:34,690
it very tangible credible and

1957
01:12:38,430 --> 01:12:36,910
frightening phenomena here but on the

1958
01:12:40,350 --> 01:12:38,440
one side you've got skeptics who say oh

1959
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:40,360
it's just foxes you know and rats and

1960
01:12:43,030 --> 01:12:41,530
things you know that are just feeding on

1961
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:43,040
unnaturally you know

1962
01:12:46,690 --> 01:12:45,170
a Cal that has died under for natural

1963
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:46,700
causes and then you got people who are

1964
01:12:50,170 --> 01:12:48,410
saying there it's an interstellar

1965
01:12:52,210 --> 01:12:50,180
breeding program and aliens are

1966
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:52,220
abducting these cows I don't know I

1967
01:12:55,210 --> 01:12:53,570
don't presume to know what's really

1968
01:12:56,650 --> 01:12:55,220
going on but I really think this is

1969
01:12:59,050 --> 01:12:56,660
something people should be paying more

1970
01:13:00,190 --> 01:12:59,060
attention to and it is definitely still

1971
01:13:02,050 --> 01:13:00,200
occurring at least as recently as

1972
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:02,060
September of this year what do you guys

1973
01:13:06,070 --> 01:13:03,650
think well I'm just gonna say this is

1974
01:13:08,470 --> 01:13:06,080
that I think if you look at all of this

1975
01:13:11,350 --> 01:13:08,480
I think to me then I don't think

1976
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:11,360
necessarily the four of us but I think

1977
01:13:16,510 --> 01:13:14,330
many people look at the UFO question and

1978
01:13:19,450 --> 01:13:16,520
they look at it as a monolith there is

1979
01:13:21,250 --> 01:13:19,460
one answer right and I think there are

1980
01:13:23,350 --> 01:13:21,260
many answers I think some things are

1981
01:13:24,820 --> 01:13:23,360
hoaxes I think there's something to some

1982
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:24,830
of them I think some of the military

1983
01:13:30,460 --> 01:13:28,010
craft I think some of them may be a VT

1984
01:13:33,970 --> 01:13:30,470
origin and heck maybe some of them are

1985
01:13:35,890 --> 01:13:33,980
of another dimension or another universe

1986
01:13:39,130 --> 01:13:35,900
or multiverse it could be many things

1987
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:39,140
same with cattle mutilations maybe

1988
01:13:45,070 --> 01:13:43,010
there's a perfectly human explanation

1989
01:13:46,450 --> 01:13:45,080
maybe it's the military and I would not

1990
01:13:50,260 --> 01:13:46,460
put it past the government or the

1991
01:13:52,540 --> 01:13:50,270
military to layer on what might some

1992
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:52,550
people might consider UFO silliness too

1993
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:54,890
obvious Kate something else I think all

1994
01:13:57,970 --> 01:13:55,850
of that possible

1995
01:14:01,660 --> 01:13:57,980
and if camera mutilations have nothing

1996
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:01,670
to do with UFOs that doesn't necessarily

1997
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:03,770
the skeptic would say AHA there's

1998
01:14:07,990 --> 01:14:05,330
nothing to UFOs well you're making a

1999
01:14:09,550 --> 01:14:08,000
huge leap of logic there there may be

2000
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:09,560
maybe there's no connection maybe that's

2001
01:14:11,530 --> 01:14:10,250
very true

2002
01:14:13,780 --> 01:14:11,540
but that doesn't mean there isn't

2003
01:14:15,310 --> 01:14:13,790
something to the UFO phenomenon itself

2004
01:14:17,230 --> 01:14:15,320
but now I'll let the other guys chime in

2005
01:14:21,370 --> 01:14:17,240
well I mean and I think was it earlier

2006
01:14:23,650 --> 01:14:21,380
this summer - Myka there was that was in

2007
01:14:30,970 --> 01:14:23,660
the Ukraine it was in the small village

2008
01:14:32,500 --> 01:14:30,980
of like Mata Yahveh EFS something and it

2009
01:14:34,620 --> 01:14:32,510
to be ukrainian to be able to say it but

2010
01:14:37,300 --> 01:14:34,630
it was there was eight sheep that were

2011
01:14:38,399 --> 01:14:37,310
exsanguinated on in this small village

2012
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:38,409
and the local that

2013
01:14:44,220 --> 01:14:42,010
who went to examine these creatures said

2014
01:14:47,220 --> 01:14:44,230
there's never seen anything like it

2015
01:14:48,540 --> 01:14:47,230
they're not well you know the type of

2016
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:48,550
predation that they would ever see

2017
01:14:51,540 --> 01:14:49,810
they've never he's never seen anything

2018
01:14:52,950 --> 01:14:51,550
like this it was not a wolf attack it

2019
01:14:54,540 --> 01:14:52,960
wasn't you know and you've got it this

2020
01:14:58,110 --> 01:14:54,550
is like a village of like ten people

2021
01:14:59,910 --> 01:14:58,120
right so you're gonna the the place

2022
01:15:01,919 --> 01:14:59,920
where you get your wool you're going to

2023
01:15:05,370 --> 01:15:01,929
kill all eight of their sheep and some

2024
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:05,380
exsanguination it just were in where

2025
01:15:08,070 --> 01:15:06,370
that you know they didn't hear anything

2026
01:15:10,649 --> 01:15:08,080
in the middle of the night

2027
01:15:13,290 --> 01:15:10,659
and when the farmer wakes up he sees all

2028
01:15:16,229 --> 01:15:13,300
of them scattered you know so you're

2029
01:15:19,020 --> 01:15:16,239
right I think you have an areas where

2030
01:15:20,910 --> 01:15:19,030
you have very little very little

2031
01:15:23,070 --> 01:15:20,920
thoroughfare there's not a lot of

2032
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:23,080
activity and you have something like

2033
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:25,210
this making international headlines it

2034
01:15:32,879 --> 01:15:28,090
certainly bears asking what in the world

2035
01:15:34,979 --> 01:15:32,889
caused this yeah yeah I mean you know we

2036
01:15:37,350 --> 01:15:34,989
we might think it's enticing to have

2037
01:15:39,270 --> 01:15:37,360
these theories you know about it being

2038
01:15:41,370 --> 01:15:39,280
your focus or aliens but at the end of

2039
01:15:42,930 --> 01:15:41,380
the day these these cattle ranchers and

2040
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:42,940
everyone they're losing so much money

2041
01:15:47,399 --> 01:15:45,370
this is all they have so when this

2042
01:15:49,500 --> 01:15:47,409
happens it's extremely traumatizing to

2043
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:49,510
them I would imagine and detrimental but

2044
01:15:53,070 --> 01:15:51,850
Myka to sort of piggyback off the way

2045
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:53,080
you said first of all I think it's

2046
01:15:57,300 --> 01:15:54,489
fascinating the whole idea that these

2047
01:15:59,220 --> 01:15:57,310
surgical things could be microscopic you

2048
01:16:00,930 --> 01:15:59,230
know in scope in terms of insects doing

2049
01:16:02,910 --> 01:16:00,940
that I never even thought about that

2050
01:16:05,070 --> 01:16:02,920
even through all these years of looking

2051
01:16:07,740 --> 01:16:05,080
at cattle mutilations but for me it

2052
01:16:10,470 --> 01:16:07,750
comes back to Chris O'Brien's work with

2053
01:16:11,129 --> 01:16:10,480
all this yeah just about to say yeah

2054
01:16:13,610 --> 01:16:11,139
exactly

2055
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:13,620
I mean you look at this idea that maybe

2056
01:16:19,229 --> 01:16:16,770
the government or the the Food Drug

2057
01:16:21,660 --> 01:16:19,239
Administration buddy somebody is looking

2058
01:16:24,060 --> 01:16:21,670
at this Center for Disease there we go

2059
01:16:25,500 --> 01:16:24,070
that's the one I was looking for maybe

2060
01:16:27,300 --> 01:16:25,510
there's these outbreaks of these

2061
01:16:29,220 --> 01:16:27,310
diseases in these animals and they're

2062
01:16:31,770 --> 01:16:29,230
they're sent out there and they're black

2063
01:16:34,010 --> 01:16:31,780
helicopters this curse says and they're

2064
01:16:35,939 --> 01:16:34,020
the ones doing this to try to stop the

2065
01:16:39,090 --> 01:16:35,949
infections that seem to be spreading

2066
01:16:41,310 --> 01:16:39,100
across across the country or world who

2067
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:41,320
knows um I I do think that is a more

2068
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:43,810
plausible explanation for this that the

2069
01:16:50,070 --> 01:16:47,170
mutilators are in fact of human origin

2070
01:16:51,370 --> 01:16:50,080
but who knows again yeah I've never

2071
01:16:53,530 --> 01:16:51,380
really thought about a lot of

2072
01:16:55,630 --> 01:16:53,540
well in again we know it probably

2073
01:16:57,970 --> 01:16:55,640
warrants mentioned here Chris O'Brien's

2074
01:16:59,140 --> 01:16:57,980
books talking to heard he goes deep man

2075
01:17:00,100 --> 01:16:59,150
I mean it's very long look and I

2076
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:00,110
remember him showing me like a

2077
01:17:04,690 --> 01:17:02,330
manuscript of that book before it was

2078
01:17:06,460 --> 01:17:04,700
published and we talked about it and in

2079
01:17:07,660 --> 01:17:06,470
fact I'm not heading on my show to talk

2080
01:17:10,270 --> 01:17:07,670
about it before the book was published

2081
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:10,280
and that was back in like 2013 2014

2082
01:17:15,100 --> 01:17:13,130
probably puts them ok you know Chris has

2083
01:17:16,060 --> 01:17:15,110
really done yeoman's work as far as that

2084
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:16,070
goes and I think he comes probably

2085
01:17:20,350 --> 01:17:18,890
closest to explaining a lot of those

2086
01:17:21,730 --> 01:17:20,360
aspects and as you point out I mean

2087
01:17:24,100 --> 01:17:21,740
something that Chris O'Brien will tell

2088
01:17:26,260 --> 01:17:24,110
you that is almost never reported in

2089
01:17:28,060 --> 01:17:26,270
cattle mutilation investigations is the

2090
01:17:29,980 --> 01:17:28,070
number of mutilations where there is a

2091
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:29,990
clear and discernible gunshot wound in

2092
01:17:35,020 --> 01:17:33,290
the cow that seems to indicate that the

2093
01:17:36,340 --> 01:17:35,030
cow was put down before the mutilation

2094
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:36,350
occurred that he says you never read

2095
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:37,730
about that in the literature but he's I

2096
01:17:41,110 --> 01:17:38,930
mean you got to keep in mind Chris is

2097
01:17:43,300 --> 01:17:41,120
done actual field research into this

2098
01:17:45,700 --> 01:17:43,310
himself in the past and I mean talk

2099
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:45,710
about a room lying the numbing prospect

2100
01:17:48,250 --> 01:17:46,970
but she never read about that in the

2101
01:17:49,810 --> 01:17:48,260
literature I mean think about all the

2102
01:17:51,340 --> 01:17:49,820
implications of something like that he

2103
01:17:53,140 --> 01:17:51,350
says no it's not just one or two cases

2104
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:53,150
he said I could go down a list of

2105
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:54,650
incidents were you know some of which he

2106
01:17:57,370 --> 01:17:55,970
had personally investigated where there

2107
01:17:59,770 --> 01:17:57,380
was a de clear indiscernible gunshot

2108
01:18:01,240 --> 01:17:59,780
wound that seemed to indicate that the

2109
01:18:02,860 --> 01:18:01,250
animal was put down something there's

2110
01:18:06,310 --> 01:18:02,870
obviously more to this mystery that is

2111
01:18:08,290 --> 01:18:06,320
reported and both a call I think for

2112
01:18:10,540 --> 01:18:08,300
being open-minded but also for being

2113
01:18:11,890 --> 01:18:10,550
critically lauded is absolutely

2114
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:11,900
requisite to get to the bottom of it

2115
01:18:16,870 --> 01:18:13,970
makes sense to me I think even Ben

2116
01:18:19,210 --> 01:18:16,880
Mezrich book the 37th parallel tests and

2117
01:18:21,490 --> 01:18:19,220
gasps he was awesome yeah yeah it's all

2118
01:18:22,870 --> 01:18:21,500
centered right around cattle mutilations

2119
01:18:25,540 --> 01:18:22,880
right I mean that's the heart of the

2120
01:18:26,500 --> 01:18:25,550
that's the heart of that story and you

2121
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:26,510
know there you had a New York Times

2122
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:28,850
bestselling book you know being able to

2123
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:30,770
talk about that 3,000 mile stretch

2124
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:32,690
through the heart of America you know

2125
01:18:37,990 --> 01:18:35,090
where there's all of these paranormal

2126
01:18:39,250 --> 01:18:38,000
tracks across the country so I don't

2127
01:18:42,370 --> 01:18:39,260
know I'm encouraged that people bought

2128
01:18:44,410 --> 01:18:42,380
that book you know movie - I think yeah

2129
01:18:46,450 --> 01:18:44,420
you know yeah he said there was gonna be

2130
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:46,460
a movie I'm pretty sure my gosh that's

2131
01:18:50,380 --> 01:18:47,810
what two years ago that came out

2132
01:18:52,690 --> 01:18:50,390
something like gonna yeah yeah came out

2133
01:18:57,700 --> 01:18:52,700
in 2016 I have it here on my shelf

2134
01:18:59,770 --> 01:18:57,710
yeah Zukowski zone yep yep well

2135
01:19:01,540 --> 01:18:59,780
gentlemen this has been great I I have a

2136
01:19:03,790 --> 01:19:01,550
feeling we could go on for hours but

2137
01:19:05,089 --> 01:19:03,800
since it's Christmas Day when people are

2138
01:19:06,529 --> 01:19:05,099
listening to this maybe well

2139
01:19:08,989 --> 01:19:06,539
let them get on with their Christmas we

2140
01:19:12,290 --> 01:19:08,999
hope this was a nice little surprise in

2141
01:19:14,209 --> 01:19:12,300
your stocking and we hope to bring it to

2142
01:19:16,729 --> 01:19:14,219
you in future years is kind of a

2143
01:19:20,779 --> 01:19:16,739
tradition and gentlemen I would love to

2144
01:19:23,810 --> 01:19:20,789
hear before we go to things a what do

2145
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:23,820
you think 2019 may hold for the study of

2146
01:19:28,399 --> 01:19:26,489
UFOs and in what's going on with you

2147
01:19:31,029 --> 01:19:28,409
personally anything you would like to

2148
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:31,039
share or promote to the audience

2149
01:19:37,819 --> 01:19:35,489
I'll go first guys I guess sure I I'm

2150
01:19:39,290 --> 01:19:37,829
doing a lot here in LA moving back to

2151
01:19:41,119 --> 01:19:39,300
New York in a couple months so I look

2152
01:19:43,729 --> 01:19:41,129
forward to getting back into my East

2153
01:19:46,099 --> 01:19:43,739
Coast roots but while I've been here

2154
01:19:48,729 --> 01:19:46,109
guys have been doing a lot of the

2155
01:19:51,259 --> 01:19:48,739
lecture circuit with alien Con a very

2156
01:19:53,239 --> 01:19:51,269
contentious conference you know hosted

2157
01:19:56,239 --> 01:19:53,249
by ancient aliens so that's a whole

2158
01:20:00,319 --> 01:19:56,249
other bag of worms but there is a new

2159
01:20:02,419 --> 01:20:00,329
one coming to Los Angeles in I believe

2160
01:20:05,119 --> 01:20:02,429
June of this upcoming year so I'll be

2161
01:20:08,599 --> 01:20:05,129
speaking at that with a few other UFO

2162
01:20:10,909 --> 01:20:08,609
researchers but other than that just you

2163
01:20:13,009 --> 01:20:10,919
know looking forward to what this year

2164
01:20:15,619 --> 01:20:13,019
has to bring with this to the Stars

2165
01:20:17,179 --> 01:20:15,629
Academy syndrome we seem to all have and

2166
01:20:19,489 --> 01:20:17,189
how it's bringing it to the mainstream

2167
01:20:21,830 --> 01:20:19,499
so let's ride that way to see what

2168
01:20:24,319 --> 01:20:21,840
happens and I can't wait to see what the

2169
01:20:25,909 --> 01:20:24,329
year has to bring that is awesome Nizam

2170
01:20:27,770 --> 01:20:25,919
and Bryan where can people go and check

2171
01:20:29,929 --> 01:20:27,780
out what you do because I know you're

2172
01:20:31,790 --> 01:20:29,939
doing a lot probably a lot coming out in

2173
01:20:33,319 --> 01:20:31,800
the next year where can they how can

2174
01:20:35,750 --> 01:20:33,329
they keep in touch with everything lines

2175
01:20:37,369 --> 01:20:35,760
because this young man he is one of the

2176
01:20:39,349 --> 01:20:37,379
Rising Stars and you're just gonna hear

2177
01:20:41,750 --> 01:20:39,359
more and more and more about him as time

2178
01:20:43,849 --> 01:20:41,760
comes on so so so where can they go Ryan

2179
01:20:45,679 --> 01:20:43,859
oh that's very kind Jim well I learned

2180
01:20:48,290 --> 01:20:45,689
from the best and that's everyone on

2181
01:20:50,299 --> 01:20:48,300
this panel and beyond but everything I

2182
01:20:52,609 --> 01:20:50,309
do is at one hug that's somewhere in the

2183
01:20:54,409 --> 01:20:52,619
skies calm excellent and he's a

2184
01:20:57,919 --> 01:20:54,419
podcaster to check out his excellent

2185
01:20:59,689 --> 01:20:57,929
program mr. Hanks I know you're always

2186
01:21:03,589 --> 01:20:59,699
like you said every week you're coming

2187
01:21:05,449 --> 01:21:03,599
out with with the new podcasts and new

2188
01:21:07,459 --> 01:21:05,459
insights and you don't allow to work

2189
01:21:09,290 --> 01:21:07,469
with seven ages so what do you hope for

2190
01:21:11,419 --> 01:21:09,300
UFOs and what's going on with Micah

2191
01:21:13,639 --> 01:21:11,429
Hanks and where compare everybody plug

2192
01:21:16,009 --> 01:21:13,649
into it well I mean as far as what I

2193
01:21:17,179 --> 01:21:16,019
hope for UFOs I hope that the kind of

2194
01:21:18,620 --> 01:21:17,189
trend that we're seeing right now which

2195
01:21:21,410 --> 01:21:18,630
is maybe a

2196
01:21:24,709 --> 01:21:21,420
a kind of Renaissance if I may be so

2197
01:21:25,910 --> 01:21:24,719
bold is to call it that UFOs and UAP or

2198
01:21:27,890 --> 01:21:25,920
whatever you may choose to call them had

2199
01:21:29,660 --> 01:21:27,900
sort of become a household term again

2200
01:21:31,220 --> 01:21:29,670
and by that I mean not just that

2201
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:31,230
everybody's talking about them but there

2202
01:21:34,879 --> 01:21:32,810
is at least a modicum of credibility

2203
01:21:36,890 --> 01:21:34,889
that seems to have been brought back to

2204
01:21:39,020 --> 01:21:36,900
the subject I do want to thank people

2205
01:21:41,030 --> 01:21:39,030
like Leslie Kean for that and you know

2206
01:21:42,919 --> 01:21:41,040
what role Tom DeLonge has played Lewis

2207
01:21:44,060 --> 01:21:42,929
Elizondo you know Bob Bigelow and people

2208
01:21:45,859 --> 01:21:44,070
like that too you know German called

2209
01:21:47,870 --> 01:21:45,869
Bell with his documentaries George Knapp

2210
01:21:50,209 --> 01:21:47,880
is reporting you guys you know

2211
01:21:53,330 --> 01:21:50,219
participating in conversations like this

2212
01:21:55,790 --> 01:21:53,340
I mean all of that I think has aided in

2213
01:21:57,770 --> 01:21:55,800
the furtherance of this subject in terms

2214
01:21:59,899 --> 01:21:57,780
of it becoming something that people not

2215
01:22:01,609 --> 01:21:59,909
only feel comfortable talking about but

2216
01:22:03,290 --> 01:22:01,619
there is a degree of credibility now

2217
01:22:04,910 --> 01:22:03,300
that sort of has become attached to it

2218
01:22:07,850 --> 01:22:04,920
which has not been something we have

2219
01:22:10,430 --> 01:22:07,860
seen significantly for decades so I hope

2220
01:22:12,109 --> 01:22:10,440
that that trend will continue I do a lot

2221
01:22:14,660 --> 01:22:12,119
of work both kind of behind the scenes

2222
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:14,670
with you know academics and scholarly

2223
01:22:18,950 --> 01:22:16,770
circles that are very interested in this

2224
01:22:20,270 --> 01:22:18,960
subject and then also of course there

2225
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:20,280
are the podcasts which are maybe the

2226
01:22:22,790 --> 01:22:21,570
public face of all that but I'm doing

2227
01:22:24,319 --> 01:22:22,800
I'm hoping to do a little writing about

2228
01:22:26,839 --> 01:22:24,329
that and of course as always continue to

2229
01:22:28,970 --> 01:22:26,849
probe the history and the scientific

2230
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:28,980
side of all this you can find all the

2231
01:22:32,839 --> 01:22:30,690
podcasts and other junk I produce over

2232
01:22:34,069 --> 01:22:32,849
Micah Hanks common if at all for

2233
01:22:36,859 --> 01:22:34,079
whatever do one of my favorite people

2234
01:22:38,390 --> 01:22:36,869
mr. Clayton Morris ladies and gents yeah

2235
01:22:40,850 --> 01:22:38,400
it's Clayton and by the way it's not

2236
01:22:44,780 --> 01:22:40,860
junk it's great stuff Michael you're too

2237
01:22:46,339 --> 01:22:44,790
calm well this year you know I something

2238
01:22:47,859 --> 01:22:46,349
I kind of said a little bit during the

2239
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:47,869
show you know just kind of on this

2240
01:22:52,310 --> 01:22:50,730
journey I think if more people sort of

2241
01:22:54,410 --> 01:22:52,320
spent it this year

2242
01:22:57,649 --> 01:22:54,420
I don't say navel-gazing because that

2243
01:22:59,720 --> 01:22:57,659
has a very pompous sound to it but spend

2244
01:23:02,359 --> 01:22:59,730
some more time sort of going inward on

2245
01:23:05,060 --> 01:23:02,369
this journey we're constantly looking

2246
01:23:07,850 --> 01:23:05,070
outward for for validation and I think

2247
01:23:10,100 --> 01:23:07,860
spending some time maybe kind of going

2248
01:23:11,990 --> 01:23:10,110
inward and maybe even like watching a

2249
01:23:15,370 --> 01:23:12,000
great documentary called the black hole

2250
01:23:19,010 --> 01:23:15,380
on gaia if anyone's had a chance to see

2251
01:23:20,629 --> 01:23:19,020
that great documentary in really

2252
01:23:23,300 --> 01:23:20,639
examining sort of like the universe

2253
01:23:25,580 --> 01:23:23,310
within us and how it connects as we are

2254
01:23:26,310 --> 01:23:25,590
sort of the event horizon to the outside

2255
01:23:28,890 --> 01:23:26,320
world

2256
01:23:31,650 --> 01:23:28,900
so I hope more people maybe spend some

2257
01:23:35,010 --> 01:23:31,660
time it'd be away from their devices and

2258
01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:35,020
in this new year and spend time sort of

2259
01:23:39,440 --> 01:23:37,330
exploring that side and maybe that will

2260
01:23:43,580 --> 01:23:39,450
lead to greater answers you know greater

2261
01:23:45,870 --> 01:23:43,590
innovation greater ascension I suppose

2262
01:23:48,450 --> 01:23:45,880
throughout humanity in some way I think

2263
01:23:49,980 --> 01:23:48,460
it has been a crazy year certainly in

2264
01:23:52,350 --> 01:23:49,990
the news and it would be nice to have

2265
01:23:56,700 --> 01:23:52,360
have some peace and quiet a little bit

2266
01:23:59,670 --> 01:23:56,710
this next year and in 2019 as for me you

2267
01:24:01,470 --> 01:23:59,680
know I I well I love the paranormal and

2268
01:24:04,430 --> 01:24:01,480
certainly am knee-deep in that on a

2269
01:24:08,070 --> 01:24:04,440
regular basis I also help people build

2270
01:24:09,990 --> 01:24:08,080
financial freedom and passive income and

2271
01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:10,000
so that's what my wife and I try to

2272
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:12,370
teach on our our podcast so if you

2273
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:13,930
listen to podcasts I'm sure you're

2274
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:16,210
listening to this and you want to just

2275
01:24:19,830 --> 01:24:17,770
go over and subscribe to check out the

2276
01:24:22,110 --> 01:24:19,840
investing in real estate podcast with

2277
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:22,120
Clayton Morris now that we've got our

2278
01:24:26,910 --> 01:24:24,250
YouTube channel we just as of this day

2279
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:26,920
just passed 80,000 subscribers on his

2280
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:30,010
YouTube channel over at Morris Morris

2281
01:24:35,220 --> 01:24:32,530
invest so we have all kinds of videos

2282
01:24:36,990 --> 01:24:35,230
where we walk through you know you set

2283
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:37,000
up your LLC getting you know how to

2284
01:24:41,100 --> 01:24:39,130
structure passive income how to buy a

2285
01:24:43,440 --> 01:24:41,110
performing asset and how to get rid of

2286
01:24:46,020 --> 01:24:43,450
those liabilities and then and all of

2287
01:24:47,910 --> 01:24:46,030
that so we're constantly churning out

2288
01:24:49,770 --> 01:24:47,920
content there to help people you know

2289
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:49,780
build financial intelligence the kind of

2290
01:24:54,270 --> 01:24:51,970
stuff we were never taught in school so

2291
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:54,280
you know so there's there's plenty of

2292
01:24:57,300 --> 01:24:55,930
there's plenty of content and fodder

2293
01:24:58,740 --> 01:24:57,310
there's stuff for since we never got any

2294
01:25:00,990 --> 01:24:58,750
of this in school that's what we try to

2295
01:25:02,820 --> 01:25:01,000
bring to to our channel so I'm a enough

2296
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:02,830
to find if anyone wants to find me

2297
01:25:06,390 --> 01:25:04,930
well I'm sure that everybody's gonna

2298
01:25:07,590 --> 01:25:06,400
tune into everything all of you

2299
01:25:09,990 --> 01:25:07,600
gentlemen do because you're both

2300
01:25:12,030 --> 01:25:10,000
excellent at it and I really appreciate

2301
01:25:13,770 --> 01:25:12,040
again I know this is a tough time of

2302
01:25:16,650 --> 01:25:13,780
year and I'd like to thank you all for

2303
01:25:19,230 --> 01:25:16,660
being a part of this year's UFO

2304
01:25:22,500 --> 01:25:19,240
Roundtable and Merry Christmas Happy New

2305
01:25:24,030 --> 01:25:22,510
Year and Happy Holidays Happy New Year

2306
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:24,040
Happy New Year everyone Merry Christmas

2307
01:25:29,700 --> 01:25:27,850
oh ho ho is must indeed and with that we

2308
01:25:31,950 --> 01:25:29,710
will let you go this has been the

2309
01:25:34,140 --> 01:25:31,960
paranormal podcast we'll be back next

2310
01:25:35,580 --> 01:25:34,150
year the week next year actually yeah

2311
01:25:38,130 --> 01:25:35,590
that's right next year and next week

2312
01:25:39,090 --> 01:25:38,140
we'll be talking to Maria DeSimone about

2313
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:39,100
what's going to be

2314
01:25:44,070 --> 01:25:41,890
in the start or 2019 thank you so much

2315
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:44,080
Merry Christmas and we'll talk to you in

2316
01:25:52,380 --> 01:25:45,770
the new year

2317
01:25:58,720 --> 01:25:55,810
now for the legal disclaimer we do not

2318
01:26:01,000 --> 01:25:58,730
accept money from publishers or content

2319
01:26:04,300 --> 01:26:01,010
producers in exchange for interviews

2320
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:04,310
however as with most media outlets in

2321
01:26:08,650 --> 01:26:06,290
the majority of cases we do receive

2322
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:08,660
complimentary copies of books and DVDs

2323
01:26:14,230 --> 01:26:11,210
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2324
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:14,240
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2325
01:26:17,650 --> 01:26:14,930
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2326
01:26:21,130 --> 01:26:17,660
amazon.com links benefit Jim Herold and

2327
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:21,140
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2328
01:26:25,830 --> 01:26:23,930
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2329
01:26:28,990 --> 01:26:25,840
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2330
01:26:31,900 --> 01:26:29,000
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